• moakley@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    I just read a story about an American toddler who was left with a violent uncle when his mother was deported. She didn’t have the option to take him with her, and the uncle murdered him a few months later.

    But sure, it’s better that you vote for a third party rather than the only party that could have stopped these atrocities from happening.

    • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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      1 day ago

      Reminder that Obama began mass deportations, Trump began family separation, Biden maintained them and rised ICE’s budget.

      If you blame only one party for the state of this nation, you are part of the problem.

      I will acknowledge that one party is significantly worse. Absolutely no doubt about it. Democrats are there to protect the status quo republicans create. Voting for BS neoliberal democratic candidates only makes things worse.

      Also, elections are usually decided by razor thin margins. If the polls show that a third party is going to eat 2% of the democratic vote, they will be forced to push their candidates to pander to progressives and adopt their policies. But it would be much much better if you participate in the primaries to ensure progressives win the primaries in all levels of government.

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        18 hours ago

        I stopped reading as soon as I spotted a lie. So, first sentence.

        Obama didn’t support deport mothers without their children. And Biden reversed Trump’s policies.

        Both sides are not the same. One side is significantly worse.

        • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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          1 day ago

          I assume you mean “deport” rather than “support”.

          Obama began mass deportations, got the nickname deporter-in-chief. I stated that Trump began family separation. While it is true that Biden reversed some policies, he didn’t reverse the majority and most influential Trump policies, including family separation .

          I said no lies. One side inches towards fascism, the other one runs towards fascism. they are a ratchet system .

          Both are objectively bad, just one is worse.

          voting lesser evil is what brought us here.

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            19 hours ago

            It’s so insanely disingenuous, and wildly historically inaccurate, to pretend that immigration enforcement now isn’t far more cruel (purposely) than under Obama or Biden.

            And listen, Obama’s deportation numbers are a huge fucking problem that I have with him. But the reality is that he did it while giving people due process.

            Anyone who was alive and sentient during that time knows that what’s happening now is 1000x more racist, evil, violent, cruel, and fundamentally unfair.

            • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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              18 hours ago

              The disingenuous part is that you are arguing with absolutely no one. I have acknowledged that in every comment made. I keep saying conservatives are worse. it’s clear and obvious and if you keep arguing about that point then you’re an idiot.

              What is also disingenuous is that by focusing about how bad the worst party is. you sort of excuse the less evil but still evil democrats. Who usually do the same things as conservatives just in a more subdued and polite way and with less slurs.

              if we had Hillary then Biden then Kamala instead of Trump-Biden-Trump things would be better now, but we would still be fucked, just less aggressively. Technically better, but still a bad outcome.

              you think you’re playing the trolley problem:

              and you think you are the good guy by fucking over minorities and working class people. Instead of doing anything to stop the trolley.

              Have you registered to vote in the primaries?

              If not then you’re just a small internet troll. Just yelling online because you think politics are a sport and your just want your team to win. even of they are also horrible.