• 13igTyme@piefed.social
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    2 days ago

    Congratulations on sticking to your purity test and voting third party. Look at all the third party members in Congress and the white house… Oh wait.

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      2 days ago

      Considering, again, I live in a deep red state my vote for anyone outside conservatives matters about the same. So I might as well stick with who I actually want representing me and not just representing who I slightly less prefer murdering.

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        2 days ago

        You know, in 2024 there was some talk about whether to dispute the results of the election. But people saw that you’d chosen to let Trump win the popular vote, so they figured you wanted Trump to win, and they didn’t bother to demand a recount.

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          2 days ago

          Even if everyone who voted third party voted for Harris, she still wouldn’t have won the popular vote, and that’s assuming all of them would have voted Harris and not Trump if forced like beyond at gunpoint (somehow like they can’t even pick to just be shot) which is extremely unlikely.

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            2 days ago

            If everyone who voted for Biden had voted for Harris, she would have won the popular vote. In 2024, there were more abstainers like you.

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              13 hours ago

              If everyone who voted for Biden had voted for Harris, she would have won the popular vote.

              And if Biden had kept his campaign promises instead of just supporting genocide like you and every other centrist wanted, his VP might have had a record worth running on.

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              2 days ago

              Who said I abstained? I literally said I voted third party and was discussing third party voters. Why are you now needing to include people who don’t vote at all? I voted third party in 2020 also so it’s not like the Dems lost my vote between those years.

              • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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                2 days ago

                In FPTP, voting for a third party – even when it’s some major figure like Ross Perot or Bull Moose Teddy Roosevelt – is doing the same as abstaining.

                By voting defensively we can control the damage. But we’re obligated to do more than just vote.

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                  1 day ago

                  Voting defensively is how we got here. Too many view voting as all they can do and any talk about doing more is viewed as too radical and annoying. If someone votes third party, but works to organize then I’d say they’re doing more than the vast amount of Americans.

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                    22 hours ago

                    People who voted for Biden in 2020 didn’t show up to vote in 2024. People not showing up to vote is how we got here. People not showing up to vote for Clinton in 2016 is how we got the SCOTUS far-right supermajority that can veto anything it wants, including the 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments to the Constitution of the United States.

                    And yes, if you’re organizing for the next noncooperation effort or the next general strike or coordinating obstruction of ICE abductions or working for your local mutual aid org, then yes, you’re doing something more, possibly more important than voting.

                    But it’s going to be a while before those organized efforts have enough power to make demands, and by then we’re likely to be in civil war. We’re already seeing state violence and concentration camps.

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        1 day ago

        I vote for progressive candidates in the primary. For example, I voted for Bernie in the primary both times.

        Morons like you however appear to not vote in primaries. Most of you idiot “both sides” fucks don’t even know what they are. Very surprising to hear that from you. Then again, if you knew what they were then you wouldn’t have accused me of voting for the centrist, which I assume you did since that’s all you idiots parrot.