• freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world
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    22 hours ago

    You should look up “First Past the Post”, check out how many times a 3rd party has won the presidency in the 60 elections held over the past 325 years, and slowly realize you actually helped ensure Trump was elected President. Then I don’t know… take a victory lap? Keep telling yourself you did the right thing because it’s easier?

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      22 hours ago

      You have a point. Maybe it’s time we actually put some effort into getting a different party in office, since both the dems and repubs hate us

      • Passerby6497@lemmy.world
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        21 hours ago

        Sure, then we can have the republicans and the neo-whigs as the two parties fighting over the presidency. Much better. /s.

        We need to change the system, and letting the republicans put their finger on the scale by letting them in office will only solidify and amplify the inequities we have now. Strategic voting is necessary to keep the avenues of change open.

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          17 hours ago

          So while we’re changing the system, can we all agree to vote against Republicans by default?
          Because let’s be real here, the Republicans have consistently fucked this country up, while Democrats have largely had to spend thier time in office getting shit back to normal.
          This has been the pattern nearly my whole life: Republicans get elected, fuck everything up, take away rights, economy crashes. People get pissed, vote in Democrats. Democrats spend their whole time in office just getting stuff back to the status quo, then also sometimes maybe make itty-bitty steps of actual progress. People forget how bad Republicans were and vote them back in because they’re fucking stupid. Republicans fuck everything up again. Repeat, ad nauseam.
          So pretty please, with sugar on top, vote against the fucking republicans.

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          21 hours ago

          As opposed to letting the Democrats put their finger on the scale by letting them in office to amplify the inequalities we have now. As it stands, you offer the Democratic party absolutely no reason to offer progressive policies, because they don’t need to appeal to the leftist demographic at all.

          Thanks to your strategic voting, the best strategy for the Democrats is to be just left of the republicans. The further right the republicans go, the further right the Democrats need to go to pull votes from the other side, because they can already count on your vote. Who cares if a politician voted to protect ICE, as long as they have a D next to their name? That’s bad, we should discourage that, but we should keep voting for them!

          In 2038, when the Democrat candidate is even more rightwing than Trump is now, are you going to earnestly argue in favor of voting for them because their opponent is even worse? Don’t you want to avoid an eventuality where you end up fighting for a rightwing president? Don’t let the Democrats treat your vote as a given.

          • Hawanja@lemmy.world
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            17 hours ago

            What you’re not getting is this,
            Democrats dont’ cater to leftists, because leftists generally don’t vote. They don’t need to apeal to your vote, becasue you already don’t vote for them.
            If leftists got organized and became an actual voting block (the same way the religous right is, for example) then Democrats would be forced to apeal to them. But leftists by and by don’t vote. They’ll do other things like go to protests, but they won’t go to the polls.
            That’s how voting works, your’e not asking the politican to do something, you’re telling them to do it. And if they don’t do it, you vote in someone else. The insane tea-party maga crazies understand this much, it astounds me that leftists in this county don’t do the same.