I mean, voting Dem didn’t do anything to prevent it either, is my point.

My annoyance also isn’t with people voting Dem. Vote how you want. My annoyance is with dems attacking third party. With people blaming third party. My real annoyance is people refusing to criticise the DNC. This defensive voting blue no matter who shit is what got us here. When you refuse to criticise someone because they’re marginally better than the opposition, we get into the position of literal Hitler, or “at least I’m not LITERALLY Hitler do you HAVE to vote for me.” Which… bad.

No, you’ve said voting defensively prevents exactly what is happening. As if people don’t vote defensively. As if we are not here.

Harris being run is WHY we are here. The DNC thinking they can get away with being antidemocratic (attacking third parties, suing to get them off the ballot, don’t get me started on the “victory fund” bullshit) is WHY WE ARE HERE. It’s on them. The DNC has fucked itself since after Obama. That’s why so many normal ass people haven’t voted since Obama. I’m not talking super principled leftists. I’m talking normie shit. They don’t vote anymore because it’s fucking garbage. Because even if the DNC won they wouldn’t do anything of substance to help. Half of what happened in Palestine was in collab WITH Biden, planned by him and passed on to Trump. Maybe it would’ve been slower. Draw out the suffering more, but it wouldn’t have been changed for the better, which is the problem. Better than the worst imaginable isn’t good enough for people.

if that sort of voting prevented this situation at all we wouldn’t be here?

Do you think supporting the lesser evil magically makes the two parties put forward BETTER candidates? All that shit does is lead to parties racing to the bottom, voters getting fucking tired of it and either stop voting, or look at trump and go “at least he isn’t a politician he’ll do something different” and vote for him. Dems refuse to do shit about it but run shit after shit after shit. When they had huge turnout for Obama’s message of “change” and now their message with biden is “nothing will fundamentally change” which… cool. Great. Way to energize your voters. “Not trump” isn’t enough. and until the DNC learns that, they can fuck themselves as they aren’t improving or preventing shit. I’ll always vote, but I’m voting for candidates that are the most worthy of a fucking vote.

Or, hear me out, you just let people vote for progressives if they want and don’t blame them for dems losing. Maybe look at why people stopped voting after Obama? Maybe he happy that people vote at all because it allows more votes for progressives/dems in the local level, even if it doesn’t help at the national level? Cuz dems have a lot of issues, not just leftists “not” voting for them. (sure, some don’t but iirc they’re actually the highest % dem voting block, even if they are much smaller in population. )

“VOTING IS SO IMPORTANT”

“So you have to vote how I tell you.”

“Also everything is your fault, we’ve done nothing wrong.”

Fuckin dems lol.