removed published yet another hit piece against the /0 instance and this time posted it in his own instance comms as well. One of his mods jumped in, admitted they don’t know anything about anything, but nevertheless felt confident enough to state their opinion as fact and in the process insult all of us collectively, then stickied his opinion for good measure.

So I decided to reply sarcastically, at which point that mod insulted me and locked the thread, which is apparently a feature in piefed which simply hides/deletes further replies in that thread, but since it’s not a feature in lemmy, it appears to function like a shadow delete.

This is what my last reply would have been.

(Yes I’m being snarky, but that “I’m so mature” bullshit just rubs me the wrong way.)

In my opinion, using mod powers to get the last insult in, is just bastard behaviour.

  • CodexArcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    1 month ago

    That “shadow lock” thing sounds like a terrible feature. I’m so annoyed too because I posted a real tear of a rant at that one dude suggesting everyone read Proudhon. Buddy, I have got opinions on that kind of thing.

    Real talk here though, wtf is going on? Every day there’s some new assault on our instance and every time the thread is dogpiled with crypto-fascists and Zionists.

    I’ve been on the net a very long time. I know what a Nazi infiltration looks like. It looks like the temperature on the board suddenly spiking, with huge arguments constantly breaking out that, somehow, magically, always start to turn towards topics that were “just asking questions” in ways to start etching and eroding the community standards. It starts by claiming everyone doing good moderation is a Zionist or a nazi, so they get kicked out and replaced by actual fascists.

    I’m not worried about dbzer0 falling. I’m afraid that piefed already has. It did appear rather quickly, offering a slew of features to get folks off Lemmy. Would it be so strange if a state actor was promoting (and developing) it in order to gradually EEE their way into control here?

    • Ferrous@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      1 month ago

      I’m not worried about dbzer0 falling. I’m afraid that piefed already has.

      Piefed was created out of anti-communist ideology. It isn’t very surprising to me how compatible that page is with crypto-fascism and zionism.

    • null@piefed.nullspace.lolEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Yeah, definitely sounds spooky when you call it a “shadow lock” weilded by a conspiratorial cabal of zionazi-crypto-fascists.

      I can only imagine it’s exhausting to view everything through such an extremist lens.

          • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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            1 month ago

            Yes I actually did, and you conflated two completely separate claims into one. What the user you were replying to said was:

            That “shadow lock” thing sounds like a terrible feature. […]

            And later…

            Real talk here though, wtf is going on? Every day there’s some new assault on our instance and every time the thread is dogpiled with crypto-fascists and Zionists.

            And you came back with:

            Yeah, definitely sounds spooky when you call it a “shadow lock” weilded by a conspiratorial cabal of zionazi-crypto-fascists.

            Which is completely misrepresenting what the user was actually saying.

      • CodexArcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        1 month ago

        I didnt suggest a “cabal”, please don’t put Nazi language in my mouth.

        I was also called spooky, kook, paranoid, and other X-Files derived insults way back before Ed Snowden proved the US government (and others) actually were spying on everyone and actually had infiltrated or partnered with every major tech company and several standards committees to ensure that emerging communication tech would be susceptible to centralization, subversion, and espionage.

        I’ll consider it a badge of honor to be called an extremist when the alternative is naively wandering into a propaganda mill.

        There have been multiple attempts recently to discredit our admins and justify unilateral defederation. That’s weird. When we’ve talked about defederating in the past, a governance thread is opened, the case is presented, and we vote on it.

        https://vger.to/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/67198913

        This isn’t always true, we recently defederated from feddit.org through pure admin fiat, but an announcement thread was opened to explain why, and I never had the impression that the decision couldn’t be questioned or debated if someone felt strongly about it.

        Edit: my mistake, please see db0’s correction.

        And I’m not saying every instance must follow our rules or procedures, but db0 and the admins continue to impress me with how they run this ship and put into stark contrast how dictatorial and secretive the governance of most instances\forums is. I’m happy to not carry that responsibility, so I can act like a provocative extremist and try to shake people into thinking more critically.

        I’m also not necessarily trying to claim that Piefed and it’s instances are ops, I’m asking how would it look different if they were? Being guileless is not a protection against exploitation, quite the opposite in fact.

        • null@piefed.nullspace.lolEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Would it be so strange if a state actor was promoting (and developing) it in order to gradually EEE their way into control here?

          A cabal is a group of people who are united in some close design, usually to promote their private views or interests in an ideology, a state, or another community, often by intrigue and usually without the knowledge of those who are outside their group.

          • CodexArcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            1 month ago

            Etymology

            The term cabal is derived from Kabbalah (a word that has numerous spelling variations), the Jewish mystical interpretation of the Hebrew scripture (קַבָּלָה). In Hebrew, it means “received doctrine” or “tradition”, while in European culture (Christian Cabala, Hermetic Qabalah) it became associated with occult doctrine or a secret.

            • null@piefed.nullspace.lolEnglish
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              1 month ago

              Okay…

              Anyways, my point is that you did indeed imply that removed might be part of “a group of people who are united in some close design, usually to promote their private views or interests in an ideology, a state, or another community, often by intrigue and usually without the knowledge of those who are outside their group.”

              • CodexArcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                1 month ago

                My claim was that piefed development and instantiation could be influenced by state actors. If it wasn’t clear from my other response, I believe such a thing is possible because the state (specifically the United States of America via it’s clandestine spy agencies) has been documented as having done so before. Other countries, like China, Russia, and Isreal (and the USA) have all also been credibly accused of shaping public discourse with paid actors, bots, and various other accusations that get tossed around regularly. Creating chaos, destroying the ability to perceive any piece of information as being true or real, these are the goals of numerous agencies and actors.

                removed can just be an ideological patsy, they don’t have to be “in on it” if their behavior aligns with authoritarian goals naturally. That’s the basis of modern decentralized fascism: stochastic terror, disinformation, layers of control mediated by regulation and economics to isolate the decision makers from the soldiers.

                I don’t need to imagine a “cabal” when an open conspiracy of pedophile billionaires demonstrably rules the planet. The subtle shifting you made in my argument from those implied authoritarians to the language of “cabal” seeks to associate my argument with a fascist dog whistle for the secret Jewish conspiracy to rule the world. It’s the same as if you’d claimed I was implying that removed is a “globalist.” Those words mean more than just their definitions taken from the first paragraph of Wikipedia.