• NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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    5 days ago

    True, but this did start because she refused to let him use an Italian military base for the war. Credit where it’s due, that’s more spine than most European heads of states have displayed when dealing with Trump.

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      5 days ago

      Giving her the minimum credit of not being a sychophant doesn’t change the fact that she even gives a shit about this nonsense because she’s just as egotistical as he is.

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      5 days ago

      To be fair, getting the best outcome for your citizens is usually achieved by sucking up to Trump with gifts.

      It sucks but the reality is that he controls a lot of power and he absolutely will use it to punish millions of people if they don’t fellate his ego sufficiently.

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        5 days ago

        Like fuck it is.

        All sucking up to trump achieves is making yourself more vulnerable to his next mood swing. The smart leaders have been scrambling to insulate themselves from the USA, not make themselves more dependent

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          5 days ago

          Sorry mate 6 months ago there was a parade of leaders handing over unique unobtainable gifts.

          Of course theyre also trying to strengthen alternative relationships but most leaders tried to avoid the worst of the tariffs by giving gifts to Trump.

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        5 days ago

        If you give an abuser what they want, they just realize their bullying works and will get worse. You have to be so much work for a narcissist that they believe it’s not worth it and will turn their attention to easier targets.

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          5 days ago

          How exactly should a world leader be “too much work” for Trump?

          He will just slap a 20% tarif on your entire country because it amuses him.

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            4 days ago

            I mean, China did it, and while one European country probably couldn’t pull off what China did the whole EU absolutely could have.

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              4 days ago

              LOL.

              Did what exactly?

              Their products were taxed to fuck. They’re just big enough and have enough control over constituents to ignore it.

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                4 days ago

                That’s a different thing. During the tariffs debacle China was noteworthy for raising tariffs on American goods and restricting exports until Trump chickened out.

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                  4 days ago

                  Yes. However, they still ended up having their products taxed at a much higher rate than anyone else.

                  They could just ignore it because they have a very large economy. The middle powers like Italy, England, Germany, and australia just couldnt play that game.

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                    4 days ago

                    However, they still ended up having their products taxed at a much higher rate than anyone else.

                    Source? I only know about the EV tariffs, and those were coming anyway for other reasons.

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            5 days ago

            That’s a good question. Good thing I’m not a world leader :S.

            Generally id assume it’s as simple as just outmaneuvering with various other levers of power. You don’t fight this narcissist directly, you make them irrelevant.

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              5 days ago

              Well i guess you’d start by observing what has and hasn’t worked for other world leaders.

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        4 days ago

        Yeah I never accused her of being a good person (fascists literally can’t be good people); I just said she has spine.

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          I don’t think she has a spine. She was forced to reject the usa demand because of Iran ability to hirt the whole global economy

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            4 days ago

            I think you’re overestimating the amount of spine your average European head of state has. Starmer for example allowed America to use UK bases if you remember that. What Meloni did is noteworthy when you consider that these guys are basically invertebrates most of the time, and that’s why Trump is now throwing shit at her.

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              Additional sanctions help the usa and israel more than opening the aispace. I refuse to praise her for things she was forced to do