• ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netOP
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    4 days ago

    The studies appear to show that regular, non-plugin hybrids are even worse at lowering emissions than the poorly utilized PHEVs :\

    Overall it seems to suggest that hybrids aren’t a terribly good solution for lowering emissions overall, since only PHEV’s have the capability to drastically lower them, but only for a minority who are mindful enough to take advantage of that ability.

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      Worse than something people don’t utilize? Im calling bullshit.

      I can get 700+ kms on 35 litres on a 2015 Prius V.

      Every other vehicle that was ice I’ve used at work could. Barely break 600kms on 55 litres.

      If phevs aren’t good because people don’t use them correctly and only use the ICE component of them, having an always on hybrid reducing fuel consumption by over 50% is absolutely better in every way.

      Whatever they are using in your examples are misleading at the very least and outright bullshit at the worst.

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        I also think the conclusion is suspect. But note that they are comparing “emissions”, not amount of fuel used. One would think they’d go hand-in-hand, but maybe not.

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        I wonder what the ratios of hybrids are. My in law has a hybrid SUV that barely gets better gas mileage than the equivalent gas model on the highway, which is most of their mileage. If the majority of hybrids are those, not Priuses, then I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the extra materials from the battery and engine offset the extra 3-4 mpg gain.

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          I dont think it’s fair or appropriate comparison. If you want to open that door, then you have to compare your in laws hybrid to an equally shitty ive engine, which I think is a huge disparity in the comparison you presented

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            I don’t get why I can’t compare the hybrid to its identical non-hybrid sibling? People aren’t cross-shopping Priuses and Ford f-350s.

            Regardless, my point is that there are cases where an overlap of poor hybrid implementation and driving habits make some hybrids roughly equal to equivalent ICE vehicles from a lifetime emissions standpoint. If those cases make up a large portion of the hybrids on the road then it is perfectly reasonable that the current hybrid fleet is only negligibly better from an emissions standpoint than the equivalent gas fleet.

      • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netOP
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        Worse than something people don’t utilize? Im calling bullshit.

        A regular hybrid is always using its ICE to charge its battery. A PHEV can either charge via the grid, or with its ICE.

        The minority of people who do opt to mostly charge their PHEV via the grid and do not constantly take long distance trips are able to fully utilize a PHEV’s advantages, and thus they help bring the overall average down for the PHEV category, but since there are so many more who do not, the average is still quite poor despite PHEVs having the real potential to be much better.

        a non-PHEV hybrid, by not having the grid as an option, does not have the benefit of that mindful minority of people helping to bring the average down as much, thus it is worse than PHEV, but still better than ICE.

        A regular hybrid still generally have reducd emissions compared to an ICE vehicle if used in an urban setting, and due to how small their ICE engines tend to be, they usually use less fuel even on long-distance trips compared to the average ICE vehicle.

        The point of the study is not that they don’t emit less than ICE vehicles, it is that, overall, due to how most people use them, they don’t save all that much carbon over their lifetime compared to non-hybrid EVs (which, I will mention, also pale in comparison to public transport). And in the case of PHEV’s, they could be used to great effect, but the majority of buyers appear to not do so, thus making them similar in carbon reduction to regular hybrids.

        If you would rather not watch the video itself which goes over the studies and their conclusions, the creator provided sources to all the studies in the text description, which I will provide here for you to look through:

        Sources

        An even stronger warning from professionals who service electric vehicles https://evclinic.eu/2025/09/27/if-you

        National Vehicle Solutions https://www.nationalvehiclesolutions/

        GridServe https://www.gridserve.com/2025-averag

        ZapMap https://www.zapmap.com/ev-stats/charg

        Fraunhofer / ICCT White Paper https://theicct.org/wp-content/upload

        ICCT European Analysis https://theicct.org/wp-content/upload

        T&E Analysis https://www.transportenvironment.org/

        Carbon Brief https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-