• gid@piefed.blahaj.zone
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        2 days ago

        It’s okay to be nuanced about this. In a system where one person can “make” this much, things are so obviously out of whack that it’s not contradictory to want that kind of wealth to be heavily taxed, while still holding the view that in an anarchist system taxation is not desirable.

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          2 days ago

          Yeah, it’s also worth noting that “wealth tax” is the compromise. It’s the starting point for a good faith negotiation, which works within the bounds of the current systems. Because the alternative is “storm the compounds. We’d only need to livestream a mob eating like a dozen of the richest before the rest get the message and fall in line.”

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          2 days ago

          Nuance about larceny gets you Sweden. Larceny is the wrong approach to horizontalidad. You want to compensate workers for yields, not rob’m.

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            1 day ago

            I don’t disagree in principle. But pragmatically, while a wealth tax is an imperfect system for wealth redistribution, it’s still realisable on meaningful timescales. It can be done while working to achieve true horizontalidad.

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                22 hours ago

                By removing the financial power that people who hoard wealth hold.

                That can happen while building new, non-heirarchical systems.

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                  22 hours ago

                  That financial power is lobbying, enabled by taxation (us anarchists righteously call it «larceny»), that hoards wealth for the state…

                  That can happen while building new, non-heirarchical systems.

                  How…

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                    20 hours ago

                    That financial power is lobbying, enabled by taxation (us anarchists righteously call it «larceny»), that hoards wealth for the state…

                    Yes, I’ve seen you keep using the word “larceny”. Taxation serves multiple functions, including maintaining the stability of the currency.

                    Right now Elon Musk has more personal wealth than the projected 2026 GDP of 197 nations (as found on the Worldometer page of GDP by Country). In absolute terms he has more lobbying power than a majority of nation states. This is not desirable, equitable or justifiable under any ethical framework I can think of.

                    Do I think taxation is desirable? No, especially not in financial systems not based on fiat money. Would I support a wealth tax that would result in removing this power from Musk, or any other person with inordinate personal wealth, while we operate in a financial system that is based on fiat money? Yes.

                    That can happen while building new, non-heirarchical systems.

                    How…

                    As an action in parallel with other activities that actively build horizontal systems, I consider it beneficial to remove that power from the few individuals that hold it.

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          1 day ago

          you forgot to append the #Against anchor.

          it should be depressing many people still don’t comprehend the problem with compulsory larceny.

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            21 hours ago

            Oh I just now realized that you’re calling taxes, “compulsory larceny”. Literally just “tax is theft” with a pseudointellectual patina.

            Lol ok bud. Go live on SeaLand or some shit

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              21 hours ago

              Wait, taxes can now be voluntary?
              ’Cause mutual aid is something we praxis, but being threatened with violence for not complying to your burglary is “pseudointellectualism”?