So have many other people before. To be honest, it is extremely tiresome having this same conversation again and again, month after month.
But good, let’s go for it again then? Yes, USA definitely had an interest in who would be in the leadership of Ukraine after Janukovych is gone. So did for example Finland.
When there were elections in USA in the end of 2024, there were people in the embassy of my own home country, Finland, in Washington DC having conversations about who they would prefer to see as the next president of USA. And various people working in the embassy of Finland in DC did call Helsinki and did have conversations very similar to what you linked there. That’s one of the main reasons what embassies exist for, in the first place. They observe what is going on in the country they are based in, report about it back to their own countries’ capitals, and also try to influence the outcomes of various events that can affect their own countries’ interests. Also the embassy of Finland in USA does this. I am sure they said something along the lines of “Harris is our woman, it is important that she wins the election!” If there was anything the embassy of Finland could do about it, I am sure they did try nudge the US towards having Harris as its president.
This becomes even clearer if you listen to this phone call in the audio format. If you listen to the original conversation while keeping in mind that it’s the embassy of USA doing its job reporting to its capital about what is going on and how it affects US interests, you see it’s a call that is basically business as usual for an embassy. Yes, trying to influence what is going on.
From my previous experience of having had this same conversation with various people during the past 12 years of this war, next you are likely to say that this phone call proves that during this phone call USA created the conflict that began in 2008 when the Russia for example changed the Russian grammar, demanding that the conjugation of the word “Ukraina” in Russian language should use the forms used for regions of the Russia and not the forms used when talking about independent countries. In 2008 the Russia started preparing for invading Ukraine, and somehow this phone call in 2014 proves to you that USA created the Maidan demonstrations that began with Ukrainian berkut troops beating up unarmed teenagers in the demonstration and their relatives, many of whom were veterans of Soviet-Afghan war, came in their defence, armed. This would mean you implying that USA had a time machine they could use in 2014 to influence what the Russia does in 2008.
I am sure that you are very important and that people want to hear you opinion about things. I am not defending Russia, but Maidan was influenced by the Us, they have their interest as anyone has, but their interest count on coups, wars and co ops. Listen to Jacques Baud talking about it, I’m certain you know who he is. The 2008 crisis was again fueled by the Nato expansion to the east. Btw, take it as you will, Yanukovich was e legitimate President who was took down in a coup. Now, YOU would probably say that he was pro russian, which for again makes sense since almost the entire eastern half of Ukraine is ethnically russian, a fact that people tend to forget or ignore in this narative.
The entire discussion was started because I dont agree that Nato should be funded. The rest is basic knowledge. And no, i am not russian.
Yanukovich was e legitimate President who was took down in a coup
That coup was the parliament of Ukraine voting to remove him from the post of the president of Ukraine. It was done according to the laws of Ukraine. It was breaking the laws of the Russia, and Putin is annoyed about that. Just like he is annoyed that there not being elections in Ukraine right not is breaking the laws of the Russia.
I would not call an impeachment done according to the laws of the country a “coup”. And I feel that you are either uninformed or intentionally lying when you’re calling it a coup.
and the laws cant be malpracticed. i really dont care what you feel, you ignore other points i write and answer with standard floscules. I see you as a extremely pro US and relatively anti EU, and thats enough for me.
That’s also probably why I haven’t bought products such as Coca Cola and Pepsi since the Iraq war began? :)
And me advocating for further integration of EU and wanting the EU parliament to have much more power over EU decisions than it currently has?
I find the concept of “malpracticing a law” very interesting.
What, specifically, was malpractice here? Except that it was against the will of Putin, and you are on Putin’s side? Your anti-EU sentiment seems to be strong.
So have many other people before. To be honest, it is extremely tiresome having this same conversation again and again, month after month.
But good, let’s go for it again then? Yes, USA definitely had an interest in who would be in the leadership of Ukraine after Janukovych is gone. So did for example Finland. When there were elections in USA in the end of 2024, there were people in the embassy of my own home country, Finland, in Washington DC having conversations about who they would prefer to see as the next president of USA. And various people working in the embassy of Finland in DC did call Helsinki and did have conversations very similar to what you linked there. That’s one of the main reasons what embassies exist for, in the first place. They observe what is going on in the country they are based in, report about it back to their own countries’ capitals, and also try to influence the outcomes of various events that can affect their own countries’ interests. Also the embassy of Finland in USA does this. I am sure they said something along the lines of “Harris is our woman, it is important that she wins the election!” If there was anything the embassy of Finland could do about it, I am sure they did try nudge the US towards having Harris as its president.
This becomes even clearer if you listen to this phone call in the audio format. If you listen to the original conversation while keeping in mind that it’s the embassy of USA doing its job reporting to its capital about what is going on and how it affects US interests, you see it’s a call that is basically business as usual for an embassy. Yes, trying to influence what is going on.
From my previous experience of having had this same conversation with various people during the past 12 years of this war, next you are likely to say that this phone call proves that during this phone call USA created the conflict that began in 2008 when the Russia for example changed the Russian grammar, demanding that the conjugation of the word “Ukraina” in Russian language should use the forms used for regions of the Russia and not the forms used when talking about independent countries. In 2008 the Russia started preparing for invading Ukraine, and somehow this phone call in 2014 proves to you that USA created the Maidan demonstrations that began with Ukrainian berkut troops beating up unarmed teenagers in the demonstration and their relatives, many of whom were veterans of Soviet-Afghan war, came in their defence, armed. This would mean you implying that USA had a time machine they could use in 2014 to influence what the Russia does in 2008.
I am sure that you are very important and that people want to hear you opinion about things. I am not defending Russia, but Maidan was influenced by the Us, they have their interest as anyone has, but their interest count on coups, wars and co ops. Listen to Jacques Baud talking about it, I’m certain you know who he is. The 2008 crisis was again fueled by the Nato expansion to the east. Btw, take it as you will, Yanukovich was e legitimate President who was took down in a coup. Now, YOU would probably say that he was pro russian, which for again makes sense since almost the entire eastern half of Ukraine is ethnically russian, a fact that people tend to forget or ignore in this narative. The entire discussion was started because I dont agree that Nato should be funded. The rest is basic knowledge. And no, i am not russian.
That coup was the parliament of Ukraine voting to remove him from the post of the president of Ukraine. It was done according to the laws of Ukraine. It was breaking the laws of the Russia, and Putin is annoyed about that. Just like he is annoyed that there not being elections in Ukraine right not is breaking the laws of the Russia.
I would not call an impeachment done according to the laws of the country a “coup”. And I feel that you are either uninformed or intentionally lying when you’re calling it a coup.
and the laws cant be malpracticed. i really dont care what you feel, you ignore other points i write and answer with standard floscules. I see you as a extremely pro US and relatively anti EU, and thats enough for me.
That’s also probably why I haven’t bought products such as Coca Cola and Pepsi since the Iraq war began? :)
And me advocating for further integration of EU and wanting the EU parliament to have much more power over EU decisions than it currently has?
I find the concept of “malpracticing a law” very interesting.
What, specifically, was malpractice here? Except that it was against the will of Putin, and you are on Putin’s side? Your anti-EU sentiment seems to be strong.