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I saw that, I never buy a medium pizza though but I have been tempted.

yea figured. I still can see someone thinking that it would be a good marketing term.

I expect this is a joke but, I could see some mid to upper level exec thinking this would be an amazing marketing term somehow so until proven otherwise I can see it.

This is something I don’t think should be legal under false advertising laws as well.

When fortnite was super popular, they would release “physical” releases of their cosmetics dlcs. We would have grandmas coming in wanting to get little timmy the game they wanted, and would choose the 40$ DLC thinking it was an actual game when in reality it was a plastic case with a download code in it. We would explain “hey btw just incase you didn’t know, this isn’t actually a game, its 40$ for some skins on a free to play game that they already have”

9/10 customers would be like “Wait what really? thats so shitty thank you for informing me” and would choose another game from the selection.

It’s blatant false advertising and super deceptive marketing tactics. A physical release should not be a code to use a license. It should be the actual game.

Honestly, in this case I think its time based licensing that is the issue. This would be very limited as an issue as a whole if publishers/creators couldn’t say “yea so you have the ability to sell this, but after X years you lose the ability to host it period”

Currently big companies like sony can just offload the blame to the license holder saying “yea we cant host it anymore” when in reality it shouldn’t matter.

Licensing that expire over time shouldn’t be legal. If you bought a license to use a product, you should be allowed to keep that product. Don’t provide updates if don’t want to, but if you paid for the ability to have and use a product (in this case media) it shouldn’t be legal to retroactively pull it without compensation.

Said compensation should also at minimum be a percentage of the product based off how much it was used, with the overall refund not allowed to go under half the price of the product paid. The fact they can be like “yea we don’t wanna host this anymore but we aren’t going to provide refunds” is ridiculous.

Being said, I agree with your sentiment. I firmly believe bypassing DRM for a product you bought and have the right to use should be legal. I don’t agree that Ripping a movie that you purchased that has a DRM component should be illegal, just like I don’t agree that removing a DRM component from a game I own should be illegal. If you own the product, you should be allowed to use it how you want. I can understand the exception of distribution(this doesn’t mean I agree with it), because I get it $$$ but the fact I can potentially be charged criminally for ripping a 4k disk, and then putting it on my private media server that only I have access to, is insane to me.

I heavy disagree with tasting no difference. I love Dominos pizza vs the other pizzas available. Sucks that they don’t do stuffed crust but, the price compared to others and the lesser oil used I love.

I buy a pamseaon sauce pizza or BBQ and bacon/ham pizza every few months through them.

All good! And yea this post has shown some pretty decent alternatives, some of which I had never heard of so I been looking at them as well

Yeah, it’s very weird because normally I don’t feel like they would care, which is the biggest reason of why I’m taking it with a grain of salt.

It’s clear from the response by the company that it’s not a trait that they actually are happy with. But I find it weird that it’s being pushed so heavily.

Ah, sorry. I misunderstood then. I took how do people here feel? What do you use? as an invitation that you were willing for discussions. I didn’t realize you aren’t looking for discussions ^^’

I’m still using mullvad. I don’t care enough about political morals at this day in age. I wouldn’t be allowed to operate life if I boycotted every service that went against my principles. I do tend to agree with the statement that while it may not be in my interest. What a co-founder does in a company isn’t reflected on the company as a whole. If Mullvad was actively donating to structures or was advocating for it I might care more.

Being said, it goes without saying for me that, considering this picked up news trend in the US and is being shared across every news site and seems to have a massive following on X, which is a known bot platform and hive mind. I’m taking the entire thing with a massive grain of salt, as nothing is allowed onto US news without it being to some advantage of the current government structure. Which means that it’s more likely this is being pushed as a nothing-burger with the intent to dissuade people from using a service that has no government controls.

I’m not saying he didn’t do it because he has openly admitted to it, but I’m just saying I expect that the entire situation is being blown out of proportion if it’s gained trending on US news sites

Interesting, I have never heard of them. Honestly my first glance is I don’t like their website. It looks way too investor/shill heavy which worries me about the longevity/future of the platform.

I like the concept of a decentralized system if they can promise reliability and privacy across all nodes I am concerned about how privacy will be retained when a node is established in an external country that has more restrictive government controls.

I heavy dislike the fact it auto renews. That right there is a huge red flag for me because that means whatever payment information I provided, is being stored in a way that it can be linked directly to my account. With Mullvad once the 30 day window is up, they toss the payment token so it’s no longer associated/linked with the account, instead relying on you to have to provide a piece of info that they can connect to the account if you have account issues. While they can say that they don’t link accounts to activity, I heavily dislike the potential that it could be done in the future, especially since they are very upfront about it being blockchain so that tells me the information is permanent/never removed.

Your $50 bought you nothing if you don’t do the pre-order deposit. You are correct with that. However, it gave you the opportunity to have the slot that you currently have. Without paying that deposit, you would not have the spot. Because if you were to pay the full $300 pre-order today, your place in line starts wherever the line is today. Not wherever the line was when you registered.

also the pre-order deposit secures your place in the manufacturing assembly line. I don’t see how you’re not seeing it. It guarantees that you have a vehicle in the delivery window that they supply to you.

locking you into a spot for a delivery window is the same thing as guaranteeing you have a vehicle it’s them designating a vehicle for you as part of their manufacturing batch.

The full description of what the pre-order deposit is this. A preorder is a $300 ($250 with an active reservation) non-refundable deposit that locks in your delivery timing. This gives you a time slot for production and allows you to plan accordingly. You'll finalize and purchase accessories closer to your delivery date.

Please see the part of it where it says it gives you a time slot for your production to allow you to plan accordingly. It literally is guaranteeing you have a vehicle that is part of your delivery window it is giving you your production slot. That will be what your vehicle is. No, it’s not going to ask you every step of information that you want. That is a later date that is closer to when that production window is. However, yes, this $250 deposit is confirming that you have interest in the vehicle and you want them to make it. That is why it is non-refundable. And that is why if you don’t pay it, you lose your position/get pushed back in line if you pay it later.

Being said, I have answered your questions to the best capability that I can and we’re starting to go in circle tho so I’m disengaging now.

I hope you were able to figure out what you’re looking for and that you have a good night or day or whatever time it currently is.

You can call it what you want, but your $50 deposit gave you the ability to have that slot. Whether or not you pay the $250 that locks you into that slot is up to you.

You would not have that slot if you did not pay that $50.

the $300 pre-ordering today without the reservation will not give you that slot.

Your 250 pre-order deposit will.

I believe that’s where our confusion is here.

edit: For context, they publicly stated they sold over 100,000 registrations within the first two weeks of the registration being live. Now, obviously, they are not going to sell all 100,000 of those, but ignoring that people placed registrations between two weeks after the registrations went live and the 24th, you placing in order today would put you at 100,001 in line.

that is what your $50 is giving you. The privilege of not being put behind everybody who registered before the pre-order went live. Other than that, as long as you haven’t put your pre-ordered deposit, you’re not out any money. You can pull out any time it’s refundable. It was only to secure your place in line. It wasn’t for the vehicle. that’s what the preorder deposit is for.

I’m sorry, I don’t know a better way of explaining this. I will try to reiterate it again, but I don’t know where our confusion is

Your $50 deposit gave you the ability to have one of the earlier slots for this vehicle.

Starting the 24th, they opened up the pre-order process for this vehicle. There was no ability to pre-order this vehicle prior to the 24th. (depending on where you are it could still be the 24th)

People who had an active registration, hence paid the $50, have priority access to the queue. Meaning that they have delivery windows that are going to be sooner than everyone else.

When you access your profile on the site, it should have a delivery window. You have 30 days from the time you get that delivery window to place a pre-order deposit That deposit is confirming that you want the vehicle. and as such, blocks you into a slot in the line for when it’s assembled. if you don’t do that deposit you lose your spot in the window

During the pre-order deposit process, you optionally have the ability to add your accessories. However, as they state, you don’t have to pick anything at that time. The pre-order deposit is the only thing fully required to guarantee that you have a vehicle in that window.

At a later date, they are going to reach out or give you the ability to actually specify what you need in the vehicle. Your final time to choose the accessories that you want is when they reach out to you and actually have you pay for it.

So, as you’ve confirmed, you have paid that $50 reservation you currently have two options available to you.

1. you can refund the registration fee, which will forfeit your place in line and make your pre-order deposit fee $300 if you decided to pre-order
2. you can pay the pre-order deposit prior to the 30-day mark of having a window appear. which will guarantee that you have a vehicle in that window.

Just I want to reiterate that pre-order deposit is non-refundable. It’s basically them giving you a final warning of, hey, this is where you can’t back down without having monetary loss.

Personally, if you’re not interested in the vehicle or you’re on and off, I wouldn’t pay the non-refundable deposit. I would be refunding my registration fee and waiting to see how it works worst case scenario is you can place an order later on down the line for however much the vehicle is at that point and wait however long the waiting period is.

I hope that’s a little easier to understand, but if it’s still confusing, I don’t have a better way of explaining that.

also

They haven’t even told you what any of the accessories will cost

if you’re interested to see how much they cost, you can go on their website, most of the vehicle and accessory pricing is already there. So I would use that for deciding how much your accessories cost. Considering that it has you design your vehicle directly through the website.

Again, if you have any confusion, I posted the FAQ link in my first comment I believe it was, that has all of this information. Maybe the FAQ page will explain it better than a third party.

if I paid the $50, but I lose my spot if I don’t pay another non-refundable $250, what did I pay the $50 for?

A reservation for the delivery window slot. As in, when you would get the vehicle. The reservation was you putting your money down to have the opportunity to get the vehicle at that reserved window slot.

The preorder deposit is your deposit for the actual vehicle. The reservation was not the vehicle preorder. they have never advertised it as such, they have always advertised it as a $50 (fully refundable) locks your spot for a blank Slate. Reserve early, get your Slate early. When ordering opens, you’ll be able to pick accessories and personalize it exactly how you want.

Think of it this way. You are going to an anime convention, said convention is going to be running multiple times over said dates, with high demand for the events. There is limited slots that the event can run, and limited tickets. They have a $50 spot reservation that gets you an earlier event. When tickets open, they have the ability to do a deposit on the ticket. this promises your actual ticket. when you actually order, you will pay the rest of the ticket.

That’s the situation with this vehicle at the moment. You deposited $50 for the ability to have an earlier slot. They are now asking for $250 for the actual vehicle deposit(this amount is non-refundable unlike the spot reservation). Personally I think they should have just done it as one payment at the beginning, but they didn’t, however their wording has been the same the entire time, its just prior to the vehicle deposit they only used the phrasing “lock your spot” and “reservation”…

You can technically refund the $50 but you end up paying the same regardless as people without spot reservations pay $50 more on their preorder.

To directly answer your question: You deposited $50 to have your vehicle earlier. That’s the difference between the $250 preorder deposit + $50 spot reservation, and the $300 preorder deposit. You are getting the vehicle earlier. If you didn’t do the reservation, you are getting your vehicle at a later date.

I’m not sure where you are getting the “it’s not a preorder” from. The site calls the preorder deposit a $300 preorder to get the vehicle. While it calls the reservation a spot reservation.

the reservation locks the slot.

the preorder locks the vehicle. They wernt going to start working on said vehicle until you got it.

I can understand the confusion on it but, that’s what it said. Reservation is a place in line, preorder is the actual vehicle.

I’m assuming that they did it this way as they didn’t know how much the price would be, so they didn’t know how much to charge for a reservation & preorder deposit in one go.

That being said. If timing isn’t a concern for you. I would just bail(especially since the deposit is an additional 250 non-refundable): refund the reservation and wait to see how it iswait until it hits dealerships whenever that is. I dislike how it is being handled as well, but that’s how they did it.

edit: Upon rereading the FAQ, this vehicle isn’t going to be in dealerships therefore, so I edited my post to reflect that.

the $50 was a reservation, the additional 250 is the actual preorder deposit. basically the $50 went torwards getting priority placement in the queue it seems. you I think can cancel your reservation to get the $50 back but, you would have to pay $300 for the preorder and it will shift your delivery window back.

per their FAQ page, once you have a delivery window, you have 30 days to make a preorder or you lose the spot and have to have a later window.

That makes sense, I figured it was a you had 20 years to decommission and cap it before you faced penalty type of deal.

The Los Angeles City Council took a first step Tuesday to reinstate a law that bans new oil drilling and requires existing wells to be phased out over the next two decades.

Is it just me or, does 20 years seem like a really long phase out period. Like it sounds like that can just do this song and dance every 20 years and not have to worry about it. That amount of time is plentiful time to get a temporary rewrite or removal of a law before backlash can make it have to revert, and then be solid for another 20 years of drilling.

I mean they kind of asked for it.

This is to the same effect of there is no such thing as bad PR

They had the same exact thing happen with the you would not download a car anti-piracy advertisements and the anti piracy disclaimers at the beginning of the VHS’s, many people, when they started running those ads, didn’t realize it was even possible to copy or pirate the media. So the ad did the exact opposite of what their intent was because it actually rose awareness that such a possibility was possible.