I apologize, I was being an asshole. I disagree with a majority of your arguments, but i was very inconsiderate in presenting my own. I genuinely hope I didn’t ruin your day with my attitude

You are correct, I was being an asshole. I own rbn a genuine apology…

-I’m not personally attacking you, and I’m not insulting you. If you are feeling attacked or insulted, then maybe that part of what I’m saying is just ringing truer than you like.

-People eating animal products doesn’t cause greenhouse gasses any more than people eating high protein vegan diets. The greenhouse gasses are from people mass producing the animals. Is this something we can agree on?

-You said you weren’t blaming omnivores, but then said that people eating animal products needs to stop. That is literally you blaming the people eating animal products. I didn’t say you were persecuting them, but you are saying they need to stop doing what they’re doing in order to fix the problems, as you see it. Is this also something we can agree on?

-Individual consumer food choices are not your business or your right to judge. If you aren’t having the problems they’re having or living their lives, then that’s good for you, but don’t present yourself as the arbiter of proper food morals. That is not how morals work. it is unethical for you to tell people what morals they should have, especially for their food. This type of behavior is privilege and entitlement personified. Can we also agree on this?

-i never said everything every rich person said is wrong. I said not to trust them or their propaganda. There is plenty of good reason, which you seem to agree with, to not trust them. Am I mistaken on your perspective?

-Do the rich people or the poor people own the means of production for the animal agriculture infrastructure? If it’s the poor people, then i agree with you that they need to make different choices. If it’s the rich people, perhaps you should reconsider who is really at fault for producing the animals that produce the greenhouse gasses. Unless, of course, they are spending their profits from their enterprises rehabilitating the environment that they are capitalizing on to generate their wealth… boy, I thought there was another word for personal gain at the expense of others. Exploitation or something?

-I do agree with you that veganism could do a lot of good for the world. I just disagree that it would be right, proper, or “moral” in all situations. However, exploitation is absolutely unethical in all circumstances. Is this something we both agree on?

-Veganism isn’t about morally superiority, but you are using it that way with your arguments. Just look at how you consider people to be not of the proper “mental capacity” if they don’t make that change. Is this something you mis-stated?

“Greenhouse gasses aren’t created through exploitation”

This is the most obtuse statement you could possibly make for your argument. Exploitation of resources is the single biggest cause of greenhouse gas accumulation in the world today. You clearly lack an understanding of the causes and sources of greenhouse gasses.

“I don’t fingerpoint at omnivores”
And “… people must lower and ideally stop [animal product] consumption.”

These are mutually exclusive statements. One cannot be true while stating the other at the same time.

“Unless you’re a Mongolian shepherd…”

This^ is the beginning of one of the most privileged, bigoted, ignorant, vapid, dishonest, and ridiculous statements you’ve ever uttered in your life.

“if you live off basic ingredients rather than comfort food, it’s usually cheaper.”

Blaming individual people again for costing themselves too much by trying to be comfortable. Yet still unwilling to blame the groups who literally destroy the world to enrich themselves off it’s resources and rob us of our future in doing so… financially, environmentally, spiritually, physically. All so they can add another decimal point to their uncountable dragon’s hoard office wealth.

This exploitation is the cause of almost all of our problems, and it isn’t perpetuated by consumers. It is perpetuated by the elite and propaganda that people like yourself regurgitate that puts the onus on the poor, and allows you to live guilt free in some ideal fantasy in your own head because you’re doing your part and everyone else just needs to live by your rules.

You sound like a corporate shill. A capitalist apologist. An entitled individual of privilege who lacks empathy and culture, but not lacking in the time and money to go to nice grocery stores for ingredients you can craft into healthy, balanced, wholesome meals.

Regardless of who you are versus who you sound like, you are incapable of making reasonable arguments. Best of luck convincing people of your opinion when you can’t see where they’re coming from. Have a nice day.

The consumption of animal products isn’t the problem.

It is the exploitation of the production for profits, which is not a choice of the consumer. This is what causes the problems in nature: increases in greenhouse gasses like methane and the inability of our planet to re-uptake carbon through the reckless destruction of carbon locking plant life environments like oceans and forests, etc all.

You can point fingers at people who want to eat meat all you want but personal responsibility is incapable of balancing out the atrocities that are rewarded thru capitalism. This is intentional, and it is being perpetuated by the ones being rewarded for it. The rich.

If you think for one minute that not eating animal products is going to resolve these issues, then you’re deluding yourself.

There is nothing wrong with not eating animal products, if you can afford to live like that. But be honest with yourself about the realities that others experience; both those who can’t afford to or just don’t want to live like that, and the ones exploiting the world’s resources for personal gain. There is a huge difference in culpability between these groups.

“… Don’t put the blame on others.”

Only thing you said that’s close to correct. Don’t be pretentious.

Humans are omnivores. Eating meat is okay. If you wanna discuss the ethics of end-user life choices under late-stge capitalism in a food desert, that’s fine, but don’t sugar coat your morals and shove them down my throat. Just don’t eat meat for yourself, and be the change you want to see in the world. If you’re doing it so you can tell others what to do, or that they’re not as good as you because they don’t do what you do, then you’re doing it for the wrong reasons.

I don’t have to blame big oil, I can blame the rich people exploring capitalism. They’re the reason all the otherwise affordable stuff is expensive. Single-mom Susie and hunter Dave feeding their family are not the problem. Capitalism is the problem, and the rich people want to keep getting richer.

They’re blaming the poor with a baited line, and you swallowed.

As related by famed biologist and renowned chemist Woody Harrelson PhD, millionaire esq.

NEVER Trust the rich when they tell you that your decisions are causing the problems.

The real problem is that the rich only give the poor so many options to choose from. Then they tell the poor to blame other poors for choosing wrong.

NEVER TRUST CELEBRITIES OR THEIR PROPAGANDA