• LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name, any]@hexbear.net
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    I love pointing out that it isn’t a subservient master slave relationship, because it isn’t, and I am extremely frustrated by people who look at the epstein stuff and refuse to acknowledge even a single implication of it complicating any potential master- slave vassal relationship, because it does. Thanks for implying im an antisemite for it i guess, even though israel isn’t The Jews, it’s a country with its own interests and intelligence agencies doing their own shit

    Edit: i like you but i can’t deal with this shit right now. “It’s problematic to point out Israel has mossad and interests” hmmm yeah sure

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      You’re not doing yourself any favors with your wording.

      To provide an adjacent example, when white people are told that they have said something racist a common knee-jerk response is the thought-terminating statement, “I’m not racist!” Not sincerely holding racist or antisemitic beliefs doesn’t preclude someone from saying something that’s racist or antisemitic.

      I don’t think you’re an anti-Semite, I’m asking you to dig a little deeper and keep cooking on your analysis because the statement you keep making is problematic particularly with the sort of blanket use you’re giving it.

      E: It’s not problematic to point out Mossad or the structures Israel uses to reinforce/self-necessitate its existence. My gripe is purely with the wording of the original statement, “normal vassal behavior”

      • E: It’s not problematic to point out Mossad or the structures Israel uses to reinforce/self-necessitate its existence. My gripe is purely with the wording of the original statement, “normal vassal behavior”

        Okay, what’s wrong with the wording there, because all I am doing is saying “this is not normal vassal behavior,” which it isn’t. I think of Ukraine or Saudi Arabia or any European state as being “a normal vassal.” I think if some congress dipshit went to any of those places and got arrested for nothing it would be somewhat of an incident which would result in their release and at least an apology. In this case, he’s arrested by a paramilitary and then when the actual military shows up, they side with them.

        We both know that Israel intentionally and purposefully conflates its jewish population with The Jewish Identity to the point that they nearly 24/7 make accusations of antisemitism towards any criticism of israel so I really don’t appreciate being implied to be an antisemite even as you acknowledge the basic premise of my argument (that Israel has and uses numerous methods to increase its influence over the U.S. government for self serving purposes, which should be entirely unnecessary if The Israeli Project is critical to the U.S.'s designs to begin with)

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          That’s what you intended to say but people are clearly reading it as saying that Israel isn’t a vassal state of the USA at all. It’s the more obvious reading to me and clearly to a lot of other people as well. Just be less ambiguous in your wording and you won’t get people up your ass about it, or at least if you do the majority of people are likely to have your back.

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            What the fuck has possibly been ambiguous about literally anything that i’ve said except for the initial “just normal vassal behavior” which Ive backed up at great length?

            Seriously fuck you, “take the L” dawg L my fucking dick

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      “It’s problematic to point out Israel has mossad and interests”

      But you didn’t do that. Instead, you wrote “just normal vassal state behaviour”, and like it or not, that phrasing suggests that you don’t consider Israel a vassal state at all. That’s typically, or at least very often, what people mean when they use that phrasing, AND it’s common for chuds to try and sneak ZOG rhetoric into discussion so people are hyper aware of it. Just take the L, you accidentally said something that is easily read differently to what you intended. It’s a text medium, this shit happens sometimes.

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        But you didn’t do that. Instead, you wrote “just normal vassal state behaviour”, and like it or not, that phrasing suggests that you don’t consider Israel a vassal state at all

        Or perhaps i’ve seen enough of these conversations to see how it always turns out with people who explicitly state that israel is just the u.s.'s dog/aircraft carrier/ etc and I’d prefer to just leave it as “JUST NORMAL VASSAL BEHAVIOR” at whatever story/news bit that shows that’s clearly not the case which pops up literally every 4-5 days whenever israel commits some atrocity politically inconvenient to the U.S. or literal crimes in the U.S. and receives not even the slightest reprimand, rather than argue with some fucked to death dipshit who seems forcefully compelled to argue the exact opposite, that israel is just a puppet

        Fuck you. It’s not a fucking “israel is a slave” or “israel is the master” dichotomy you dumb fucking asshole and Im not fucking antisemitic just for saying they’re “not a normal vassal”