literally nobody thought that was the case. this is just holier-than-thou fartsmellery.
“Humans are destroying the planet” has been a great way of off-loading the social responsibility aspect from multi-billion dollar gas guzzling AI-generated farts factory to Grandma, who forgot to put out her recycling last week.
the prefix “some” is implicit there. but also, like, the hundreds of millions of people commuting to work is a bigger problem than the thousands of people driving loud sports cars. it’s just that the hundreds of container ships going around the world is a way bigger problem still.
the hundreds of millions of people commuting to work is a bigger problem than the thousands of people driving loud sports cars
Sure. But it’s not the individual commuters who are setting national transportation policy.
The folks driving the sports cars (and in the yachts and private jets), on the other hand…
that’s why i continued my post. to illustrate that the issue is not the individual within the system, but the system itself and the people who shape it.
I do agree that this is very rare take from climate activists. Those folks usually know their shit and are pretty radical.
However, this line of reasoning is definitely a thing among laypersons. It has historical precedent that has its roots in Malthusian population theory.
Thinking about how people say humans are inherently parasitic and Mother Nature is going to get rid of us as punishment
are you sure about that? the “oh, humans are so evil, we’re destroying our planet! i wish all humans were dead” sentiment is extremely common
yeah that’s called ecofascism. it’s about as well thought through an ideology as anarchocapitalism.
i mean, it has its roots in how we discuss climate change. we call it “human-made”, so yes, people will jump to “humanity is to blame for climate change”. it’s a very logical leap, and not entirely wrong, even if it doesn’t tell the whole story (which part of humanity is responsible?)
i feel like that part comes naturally. it’s pretty easy to go from “i’m trying to help” to “no matter how much i help i can’t make a difference because the system makes it useless” to “who designed the system?”
Yes, but much more commom
Unfortunately the misanthropic sentiment is the foundation for a whole plethora of ecofascist tendencies, both intentionally and unintentionally so, that are shockingly common.
For climate activists it’s very unlikely, but there are people who believe Africans are the issue because of high birth rates, conveniently ignoring that richer countries do the most damage by far.
Did someone fucking print this tweet out and then scan it?
“How do I install this tweet!?” - some grandma still using AOL dialup
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It was so good that I faxed it to myself at work.
Right!? Why is it slightly askew?
In general I just get frustrated with the human slander. No. We’re not all evil assholes. We’re not stupid. We’re a bunch of animals that managed to break out of the normal fight for survival primarily by working together. This all only works because we help each other most of the time. And stupid? Why? Because we don’t all individually understand the massively complex world we’ve created for ourselves?
The bad people and things that happen are bad because they’re exceptional. They break from the norm and aren’t representative of the whole of the human experience. It really sucks that some psychos can take advantage of our behaviors to get us to do awful stuff, but the solution to that isn’t “Woe is me, humans are just bad. Maybe we should all just go away.” Are their victims bad? Do they not deserve to be saved because their oppressors are evil?
You can’t really have any social progress before you recognize that “we can do this” and “we are worth it.” Otherwise what would be the point?
I know right? Thats like saying all dogs are evil because police dogs attack protestors
We’re basically monkey’s with nukes.
That’s humans. Those are human constructs.
That’s animals. Those are animal constructs. Animals are causing climate change.
I don’t know man. I know some of those kids in Africa, and they don’t all prioritize the environment over things like food and shelter.
For sure, but when we total up the list of top contributors, they’re nowhere near the top. So let them, because they’re not “the cause”.
I think that comment was sarcastic.
Yes, but sadly also no. They don’t play in the big leagues, but taken over the whole continent it adds up.
Africa emits about 1.45 billion tonnes of CO2 a year. Saudi Aramco emits 1.6 billion tonnes.
That’s not entirely true though. Emissions from Europe aren’t really that high compared to China and India. I could be wrong but I don’t think the CCP have the same beliefs as the governments of Germany or France or even the USA.
Emissions from Europe aren’t really that high compared to China and India
India’s per capita emissions are lower than any European country except Albania, and China is only moderately higher than EU countries compared to the US, Canada, and Australia.
Total emissions are useless when populations vary so widely between countries.
That’s mostly because India and China don’t have the same standard of living as Europe and the USA. Though China in particular are trying very hard to fix that. I think some anti-climate and anti-renewable forces in the USA also don’t help.
This enemy classification includes the settler/colonialist workers in the Amazon who are working as the frontier of capital accumulation.
I thought Amazon workers for a bit and was thoroughly confused
Don’t confuse can’t with don’t. People are people.
Yeah, libs have been slipping on the eco-fascism like a pair of custom-made shoes.
The idea of infinite progression.
Its easy to criticize, but when you ask for a solution, they’ve got nothing. Literally zero.
Except for a large scale die off of humanity.
something something, the planet can only support 1 billion
As if 80% population loss is somehow a solution
Uh… who’s “they?” Because I’ve seen plenty of people propose solutions (usually some combination of renewable energy and environmental protection at the national level).
That’s not a solution. It’s the title of a synopsis of the summary of an omnibus of a solution.
People aren’t concerned with implementing solutions or policy development to achieve solutions. They just want to blame petroleum companies and then spend their paychecks on plastic and airfare.
I think people complaining about the climate generally support at least carbon taxes on these things.
People aren’t concerned with implementing solutions or policy development to achieve solutions.
That’s a strong assertion to make without evidence.
Well akshually, the rising standard and of living in the developing world in general and sub-Saharan Africa in particular means that kids in Africa are contributing to climate change. Now when you ask why kids in Africa can’t fuel their improving standards of living with solar panels instead you’re going to end up at these things, but still.
maybe if yall spent less time on wordplay and more time on finding out where these people live something might get done
Oh, we know where they live. You’ll see. We just need critical mass. A revolution doesn’t happen over night and certainly not all at once everywhere.
It’s easy to forget that sadly most people do no support actually doing anything about it at all. Either they’d rather believe it’s OK, or they’d rather believe that we’re nearly winning.
9 meals. Feast or famine. Blah blah blah. The point being that people’s priorities can and do change very quickly when their material conditions are threatened.
Identify the real enemy.
… does not identify the real enemy.
There’s one word that combines the three and more.
AI datacenters woth their gas turbines
