I got banned for telling the guy posting Tucker Carlson on “Progressive Politics” that he’s a chickenshit coward because he couldn’t give a reason why he’s platforming Nazi shit and instead deflecting to a hundred other topics.

I’m not mad that I got banned, I was very rude to the guy, but it is pretty gross that they’re still promoting a reactionary white supremacist as “progressive politics.” I reported the post to the mod and got banned instead.

Oh well, that place has a history of hosting that kind of garbage anyway. No big loss.

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    Opposing all aids to a colonial power is progressive which he does. I agree that everything else he promote is terrible and dangerous

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      The why matters. He’s not opposing aid because he’s anti-genocide or anti-colonization. Just because his success might support the same goal as progressives doesn’t mean he’s doing something progressive.

      It’s like praising someone who opposes the Proud Boys because they have a Hispanic figurehead. Anti-racists might seek to use them to achieve a positive result, but that doesn’t mean the person is practicing anti-racism even on a very limited scale.

      There are some people who are conservative on a lot of things but legitimately progressive on a few others, but that’s not what’s happening here with Carlson.

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        The situation in Palestine is so dire that you need people from all ideologies and political affiliation to do the job in going after Israel propaganda . I don’t want Israel to finish it’s plan to ethnically cleansing all Palestinians from the river to the sea . I want evangelical to stop voting for Israel . Let’s use Tucker as an useful idiot . Let’s keep talking about his supremacist without tying it up with the genocide .

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      Adolf Hitler supported social welfare, an ostensibly progressive idea, but only for people he deemed worthy.

      This did not make him a progressive nor would those programs be appropriate to share in a community about progressive politics were they contemporary.

      Tucker might oppose military aid to Israel, but his ideology isn’t anticolonialism, it’s nationalist. He isn’t opposed to colonialism, he’s lamenting resources being sent overseas when they could be used to promote nationalist goals in America. His ideology similarly shouldn’t be in any community for the promotion of progressive politcs.

      If you bristle at the idea of referencing Adolf Hitler, you can find similar examples throughout the history of fascism. Even if a fascist seems to align with goals ostensibly for the benefit of the masses, their goals are perverse and this alignment is specifically meant to manipulate uncritically thinking people into supporting their twisted views.

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          So, just because Tucker Carlson didn’t commit the worst genocide in history, he’s a progressive?

          I think your logic is a little bit flawed there

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              It very much isn’t. Especially when you hold it in the context of the rest of his politics and social views.

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          That is correct, but Tucker spends time, effort and money promoting proponents of similar goals in American media. My point is not “Tucker Carlson is just as bad as Hitler”, but that fascists and nationalists may spout ostensibly progressive ideals but they do not have progressive goals.

          Furthermore, it’s dangerous to ignore that fact and promote the snippets of their ideology that align with progressive ideals because it normalizes and gives power to their platform, which may align with you in this one small instance, but is pitted against you when looked at as a whole.

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              Dude… what??

              How about you explain what benefit it has to progressive politics to laud Tucker’s position against America arming Israel?

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                It doesn’t but it does benefit palestinians by trying to convince evengelical that support for israel colonialism is not christians and not beneficial for them

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                  I understand what you’re getting at here and while I think there is a noble goal there, there is a myriad of issues with that particular hope.

                  Pushing most of those aside, do you think these Zionism-supporting American Christian Evangelicals are browsing [email protected] looking for world-view changing articles and information? Do you think even a single Zionism-supporting American Christian Evangelical will ever see that post?

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          No, he is just a White Nationalist who reputation-launders genocide deniers like Daryl Cooper and gives propaganda advice to straight-up Nazis like Nick Fuentes.

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              Why defend him at all? He’s an absolute piece of shit who is your ideological enemy (if you are anti-colonialist).

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                There is more chance of evengelicals to be convinced to stop supporting Israel by someone like him then other type of people. Keeping associating his supermasism to his stand against Israel jas opposed wanted effect. While exposing his supermasism in isolated manner is beneficials to fight his supermasism ideology

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                  So your idea to get Evangelicals out of the propaganda pipeline is to have them listen to a Nazi?

                  They know he’s a White Supremacist; it’s why they listen to him. Nick Fuentes is also against supporting Israel; should we point them to him, too?