Food, water, housing.
+Healthcare
Housing, healthcare, food security are all human fuxking rights
Liberals absolutely loath the hungry and starve people for entertainment. They hate the fact that anarchists adore their comrades and feed ourselves for solidarity.
Tell a liberal to open a canteen, and see how they send cops to destroy free food caravan.
Soup kitchens work great, and I do not know how they avoid this shit. Perhaps they enthusiastically pretend not to be interested in mutual aid of any kind, just helping the deserving poor or whatever.
Thankyou for piercing my complacency. They really do not give a shit about anything but property values, do they?
¯\(ツ)/¯ I simply lack cognitive dissonance and the flaw to introspect.
I guess I was born to care for my fellow intelligent lifeforms.
What is your opinion on conservatives?
read my description.
DNI is burned into my brain as Do Not Inventory…
What does it mean in the context of your profile?
Also, I fucking hate retail
Gonna chime in here, I am pretty sure DNI stands for “do not interact”
When we can’t feed everyone, that’s weakness, and it is sad.
When its a choice, that’s power, and its fun!
Exactly, can’t be won’t.
I wonder what percentage of people actually disagree with this in the US. I bet it’s a very small percentage.
Edit: like definitely less than 50% of people, probably closer to 25% or maybe even as small as 10%
Please don’t ruin this for me, I need my hope for humanity to come back.
You’re not far off, but political propaganda prevents people from realizing it apparently.
UBI or collectivisation solves this.
Just need enough combined will to realise either.
To make more food to stockpile and force people to buy or watch rot you silly billy!
Seriously though. Its one thing to want to sell the food, I get that people gotta get paid, but the fact that in a lot of places we just throw away the unsold food to rot in the rubbish is ridiculous??
Like seriously, we’re just gonna throw away this food rather than even attempt to give it to those in need, and fire anybody who tries, cause it might slightly eat into profits?? That’s just psychopathic levels of corporate apathy.
There are places where the trash bins of supermarkets are locked so homeless people can’t take thrown away food from them
Most supermarkets have compactors.
Dumpster diving is fun and easy.
Isnt eating food from dumpsters unsafe?
Meat/eggs/dairy, definitely.
Vegetables, maybe, depending on what else they’ve touched.
Dry/canned goods, probably not unless they’re wet (e.g if it’s in a cardboard box or paper package and it’s damp, it’s not worth the risk - if we’re talking about grocery store waste then for all you know that was water used to wash the butcher’s work station or mop the floor).
Bacterial contamination is your primary concern, and after that mold. Salmonella could just end your life.
Caveat on canned goods: avoid bloated cans if they contain any meat. Bloated fruit cans contain alcohol.
Oh yeah, good point, avoid any cans that look bent, dented or expanded.
Are dented cans a concern? I thought it just meant someone dropped them
dented can ruin the seal
So, here’s a problem: food logistics is a massive, complicated morass of infrastructure. Getting food from the area where it’s produced to the area where there are people who want to eat it is difficult. A lot of individual steps have to go right for a bell pepper grown in Coahuila to show up in a grocery store in Tokyo, unspoilt and ready to eat.
The timing of when the pepper is picked, how fast it will ripen and how long until it spoils is built into the steps of the supply chain. The cost of the logistics system for distributing food, and the overhead for managing and containing the chaos, is probably substantially higher than the cost of actually producing the food.
The point being, when the bell pepper is at the store it is now ready for consumption. It will be there 2, maybe 3 days, and then if it is unsold it is at least halfway to rotten. Now at this point you want to try to redistribute it, which will require another supply chain, but there isn’t time to figure out where to send an overripe bell pepper or who would want to eat it, or to pack it and ship it and then unpack it and hopefully use it before it’s completely rotten.
Refrigeration is a wonderful technology that has brought massive reduction of food waste, but it has limits. You can’t un-ripen a fruit. Trying to re-ship food at this point would not be worth the cost, and ultimately would create environmental harms that would outweigh any benefit.
Always buy local, as much as you can!
Unsold food that is given away creates a liability if it causes problems. Food banks are the middle man in that respect, where they can toss things that aren’t going to stay good and provide for people with the rest. So here’s where government, regulation, and socialism comes into play. Companies should be encouraged with money to do something other than toss that food. Better systems should be in place to move that food to the food bank. Better regulation there to make sure that the food is being examined well enough. More places for all this to happen.
This ignores fixing the real problem, profit driven consumption, societies where people aren’t able to provide for themselves, etc.
So by itself you aren’t going to get unsold food to the needy, the risk and cost is too great for companies.
Actually, this is completely false for US based companies.
They limited liability in 96
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Emerson_Good_Samaritan_Act_of_1996
Make it easy for the corpos. Criminalize destroyed food. The financial disincentive needs to be very punitive like some percentage revenue first offense. Then jail time for execs and boards. Those companies may need to hire community coordinators to deal with the near expiring foodstuffs to avoid the criminal liability. Capitalists might assume people would stop buying food and just wait for it all to be near expiring, but the reality is, those with means will take the convenience of a purchase over a long, uncertain wait, potentially queuing hours or even the night before the food banks would open. It might depress prices as they get desperate to trade some of the remaining margin before being required to give it away. Oh no, what will we do if the rich people are slightly less rich!
Idk how widespread it is but I’ve volunteered with organizations that get massive shipments of unsold food that’s then repackaged by them and then given out or sold at a substantially lower cost, so this does happen. This is backed by federal laws limiting the liability of donors, and at least in my state there are also laws limiting food waste to incentivize participation in such programs.
Hierarchy was there right from the start so I don’t agree that we were ever on the same page as to why we do anything.
It was definitely there with agriculture. Hunter gatherers had a lot of different ways of organizing their societies but early agrarian societies quickly developed a military caste and despotic governments.
Agriculture seems to me to be the point where humans first started saying “this stuff, that stays in one place and is useful, is actually just mine/ours”. How that’s done varies tremendously over time and space, but it’s hard to imagine the concept of “ownership” in the way we now understand things, without agriculture. And it’s easy (for me anyway) to imagine the idea of “property rights” springing pretty naturally out of beginning to understand cultivation.
And by that, I really do mean, we doomed ourselves to fight over the very things we fight about today, starting then lol.
Yeah. When you’re breaking your back out in the fields all year and you’ve just barely managed to fill your granary with enough food for the winter, you’re not going to tolerate a band of marauders coming through and stealing all the food. Property was a matter of life and death for the entire village.
We’re all descended from these agrarian cultures (except for some of the indigenous folks who hail from hunter gatherer communities). These strong property rights are deeply rooted in our cultures.
Yep, couldn’t agree more really, the ways we’re built to think were useful and basically essential for all of human history.
But now things are very (eh, somewhat) different and we’re doing a shit job of updating our understanding of “how to be people”. Mostly (by my measure) due to the way our technology changes much much faster than human-scale “how to be” wisdom.
I agree about hunter gatherers. I was coming at this from the perspective of when civilisation started “in a dank river valley near you” as Bill Wurtz put it with a few small huts beside the field owner’s bigger stick figure hut :p
The indus valley civilisation was very likely egalitarian
That’s certainly a historical gap in my education tbh.
They never teach about egalitarian civilisations at schools. I wonder why 🤔
I’m aware of the omissions of 90’s Alberta public education 🤭 Being made to stand for anthem and Christian prayer every morning was also pretty creepy. Special needs were bullied heavily and segregated from general school population. The Eugenics programs had only just ended there in 1990. I didn’t even know about residential camps until it became an international scandal. Embarrassing to find out at the same time as the rest of you.
I’ve been mainly focused on the history of languages, medieval period, and the Canaanites as of late. Indus Valley Civilisation makes the list now. I guess Bill got it wrong, damn. Still a catchy vid.
The start. When was that?
You’re not getting it - we invented all that so a few mentally ill monkeys could hoard all the bananas and let around 10 billion other monkeys suffer, starve, and toil for their pleasure.
when you read/listen/watch about inventors from the industrialisation period, they were often—if not always—motivated by profit and not philanthropy.
was “civilisation” ever a goal or just something that happened? A hypocrite idea of moral progression?
when you read/listen/watch about inventors from the industrialisation period, they were often—if not always—motivated by profit and not philanthropy.
Because they also wanted to eat.
Beyond a certain point, they would have no trouble eating. It’s more like, once the machine of expansion really gets going, and you’ve poured your life into it, stopping would be hard. You like expanding your business. You’re good at it. You’re not an idle rich loser like all those other dilettantes at the club!
Elon’s most obvious trait is the gaping void of insecurity that can never be filled. If he isn’t the genius who will one day prove everyone wrong, who the fuck is he? He is constantly grasping for that warm feeling of having made it, and he is incapable of it. He is a machine built of suffering, his own and many, many others.
It’s so one dude can eat 300 twinkies in one sitting
It’s because it’s not a right that we “built civilization”. You have to work for it. The natural state of wanderer-gatherer can’t support 8 billion people.
