I submit for your judgement, my ban from a History Photos, after the mod (a favourite around here) loses his cool and breaks almost all the sub rules and the instance general guidelines.
Arguably he also breached instance rule 1 against ableist conduct and use of slurs as the history of the word moron is quite troubled - something I’ve disagreed with @[email protected] on before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)
For clarity I do not support any of the states identified by the US as rogue states. Discussing motives and outcomes does not equal support.
Rules
- Be respectful and inclusive.
- No harassment, hate speech, or trolling.
- Foster a continuous learning environment.
- No genocide or atrocity denialism.
- Photos MUST be at LEAST 10 years old, and ideally over 20. We appreciate that we are living through events which will become history, but this is ultimately not a comm for news or current affairs, but events which have occurred some time in the past.
https://piefed.social/comment/11787117
Alright.
This is definitely PTB. PJ broke his own rules. You can’t do that as a mod, period. Doesn’t matter what the provocation is.
Mind you, you were a smug jerk as well (edit: and I mean that both of you were being smug jerks), so the only reason it’s PTB is that he crossed the line. I might have temp banned your ass a few exchanges previous at the most. Probably, I would have just reminded you to chill the fuck out and disengaged, but I dunno, I can be a hotheaded asshole sometimes.
If it had been temporary, I’d have gone with an ESH since both of you were slap fighting instead of talking, but that’s not what happened.
Agreed. OP’s comments have that vibe. I would have just not replied to them, even as a mod.
Fair take.
So you were banned by pugjesus because they got high off their own supply again.
First time, I take it?
I’m a repeat customer haha
The “power tripping mod” problem here on lemmy is turning out to be even more pervasive, and perhaps more fundamental, than it ever was on reddit.
So you kinda went in there hoping for drama then. As much as I think PugJesus is a fool, dude, you were baiting.
All PugJesus moderated forums are a cyclejerk of apology of liberalism, imperialism and USA.
I don’t understand why people want to participate there.
PugJesus is toxic to the fediverse.
PJTB
Repling to my self to clarify it:
- PTB
- but for an iberal/imperialist/crypto-fascist instance or community, YDI.
Comms and instances should add to their rules tab their ideological bias. It’s a pitty that only communists and anarchists instances/comms are enough honest to do it.
PTB.
I don’t know who’s in the right history-wise, and I appreciate pugjesus’ posts and explanations.
But in this case it feels to me like it was just an interesting argument until he decided to call you a dipshit and a moron (and then ban you). Smh.This probably isn’t the community for it but as I was banned for ‘conspiracy theories’ I figure its relevant.
The US has been quite open about its involvement in Libya and there are plenty of sources on this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_involvement_in_the_2011_Libyan_Civil_War
https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/IF/PDF/IF11556/IF11556.33.pdf
Over a decade after a 2011 uprising and U.S.-backed military intervention that toppled longtime authoritarian leader Muammar al Gadhafi
Congress has conditionally appropriated funding for transition support, stabilization, security assistance, and humanitarian programs for Libya since 2011
The idea it could be a conspiracy theory that the US backed rebels against Gadhafi is beyond ridiculous, it was public, acknlowedged at all levels of the US government and is a matter of factual record that assistance including military and humanitarian spending. These actions were undertaken largely under the umbrella of a NATO intervention.
Stating the fact that this happened isn’t condeming or condoning (though ousting Gadhafi was good, the fallout and subsequent rise of ISIS in the region was horrific) it is literally just the recognition of events as they happened.
https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/operations-and-missions/nato-and-libya-february-october-2011
The start of the revolt was genuine but there is not a single doubt that the US was involved in destroying Libya. France was even more involved, it was france who brought the idea in UN to be involved under pretext of protecting civilians . Still this is a PTB
Keep the comments in YPTB posts about the moderation action itself, not about the general topic in which the moderation took place.
Thought you might appreciate this quote from this comm’s rules since you’re so outspoken about following them.
This probably isn’t the community for it but as I was banned for ‘conspiracy theories’ I figure its relevant.
Right at the top of the post buddy. Going to follow the rules yet?
That’s not how rules work
It is relevant to directly refuting the reason for the ban as stated in the mod log.
Got any more bangers there champ?
My bad, I could have sworn your comment was
about the general topic in which the moderation took place
and not
about the moderation action itself
Pugjesus is the worst kind of sancitmonius neckbeared power tripping taint sniffing reddit mod
I’m going to weigh in that this is a case of PTB even if, as some others you could have been more graceful. The role of a moderator is primarily to prevent things from spinning out of control like they did here.
That particular mod left his old home instance after realizing it had some problems, and was acting better for a while, but has been returning to many of his old ways. In particular:
- He has been getting less and less respectful and inclusive
- He has not been open minded, which is required for a learning environment
- He has a eurocentric perspective on genocide and atrocity that ignores that even though pre-colonial societies were not perfect, the current state of the world is a very direct result of an attitude that any one society is more advanced/developed than the others they encounter
He has a eurocentric perspective on genocide and atrocity
dude thinks readsettlers.org is a melodramatic screed filled with anti-white “racial prejudice”,
JonsJava concurs and permabanned me immediately for linking it and I will bring it up every chance I getCare to share the user?
I don’t agree with your take.
I do believe it’s not news, or unbiased, so I can see why I might have, but it wouldn’t be ban-able, so I’d like to know the user to refresh my memory.
It was me, we already had this discussion. https://lemmy.ml/post/44529994/24655075 .
I re-reviewed all the details, and came to a very confusing realization
- This has been 11 months, so I have pretty much no memory of the ban
- I did this at 5:23 in the morning
- I reference a temp ban that never happened
- it was on a thread that was full of rule violations (https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/post/32467169)
With all that in mind, the only conclusion I can come to is I fucked up. I must have misread a mod queue report as someone else, and banned you for their actions.
I can unban you if you like, but if you hate me and the communities I moderate and don’t want that, that’s also your choice.
I mean I would like an unban as I think it’s completely unfair. The previous ban that was referenced was my lemm.ee account which I had switched away from since the instance had shut down. Here is my recollection of the events at the time of the original ban: https://lemmy.ml/post/19362644
Also I don’t hate you or anyone really, I just had run out of good faith with the lemmy.world mod team in general and after you reaffirmed the ban in our last discussion without actually pointing out what you thought was racist with you as well. Glad to be proven wrong on that account though.
@[email protected] has been unbanned
your
lemmy.mlwasn’t ever banned.Thank you 💚 I mainly use my lemmy.ml account to post locally or here in yptb due to visibility. blahaj is my the main account I use to interact with the wider fediverse.
This is how pj has always been though? And for leaving it didn’t seem like it wad from issues as much as pj wanted to own the tankie devs by moving to software done exponentially even worse people
One of the most unhinged, incendiary and often super wrong people on here. They’re practically a mascot for bad mods, a leech that clung to the foot of a reddit exodus.
Good on you for trying to bring respectful discussion into their com, but you might as well have been delivering top sirloin to a seagull.
PugJesus
He’s a cunt, so there’s no surprises here.
PTB for sure
PTB at all times. You did nothing wrong.
Can’t read the screenshots due to being on mobile, but claiming moron is an ableist slur feels like a huge stretch to me.
For context, until the 1960s, the terms moron, idiot, cretin, and imbecilewere all genuine, non-offensive terms used, including by psychiatrists, to refer to people with mental/intellectual disabilities and low intelligence. These words were discontinued in that form when concerns arose that they had developed negative meanings, with “removed” and “removeded” replacing them.
Welcome to the euphemism treadmill
I’m aware. I’ve even posted articles on that topic before. But current day usage of those terms generally no longer refers to mental issues, the horse has definitely left the barn on that issue.
Uh huh. So how long before you deem removed acceptable?
There are people still alive who were diagnosed with those terms and who undoubtedly had them used as ableist slurs against them.
Once you’re on the treadmill there’s no hopping off
And I’m not perfect. I’ve used moron as an insult occasionally
Arguably he also breached instance rule 1 against ableist conduct and use of slurs as the history of the word moron is quite troubled
The fact that you’ve been throwing around that very same word makes me think you’re simply looking for drama.
It sure is! Glad you caught that but it’s a little out of context because Pug has previously banned me for using a synonym of moron while he often uses this language in subs he moderates.
Just a call back to another account and ban really.
Please, clarify the synonyms that you and Pug have been using.
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
Cool, what about this one?
Yeah me again, my issue isn’t with the word but Pug’s extremely biased moderation.
Now if you’d weigh in according to sub rules that’d be great
Nah, I’m fine with the initial position of your goalposts.
Removed by mod
Yes but please do read and follow this subs rules, I’d hate to see you banned ;)
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