This is one of those things where you can be unhappy about it but also you’ve already lost this battle and you’re just going to look like fools in the future
Like when we see old news footage and newspaper articles from people who claimed Nintendo wouldn’t last longer than the early 80s Christmas season and that the Internet is a fad
While there arguments about the value of the companies making the AI agents, the fear of real humans being replaced by AI agents in the work force, and the environmental concerns of the data centers… the AI itself is an immensely helpful, and immensely powerful tool that is definitely not a fad that is going to disappear and definitely not used just by idiots
Here’s an article about AI being trained look at X-Rays and successfully diagnosing 11 patients with early breast cancer that was missed by the human Doctors
AI will never replace labor, only increase productivity like every technology has always done. Even for the jobs that a technology might completely replace in a similar way to human computers, labor will reorganize itself to where it is needed. This is a law of economics that delusional techbros seem to have forgotten, and it is why we will never have an automated future so long as we have capitalism.
I have not “already lost the battle” because I never believed that the technology was useless. Machine learning is an incredibly powerful technology that absolutely helps with certain things(like the pattern recognition involved in diagnosing cancers from X-rays), but it is not magic. It hasn’t delivered the boosts in productivity that oligarchs yearn for, despite all the investment. It’s a bubble that will burst eventually, sending the economy into a recession that will absolutely suck.
I’m not anti-machine learning; I’m anti-AI. The technology was as inevitable as the fall of this sorry excuse for AI. We’re still a ways out from genuine artificial intelligence, and it probably isn’t even something that we actually want.
Yeah… I don’t know how the general public is using AI, but it’s definitely a very useful tool. I understand it comes with a lot of issues regarding privacy, content rights, and predatory mega corporation practices, but the tool itself is useful. And we don’t even need to rely on Google, Microsoft, OpenAI, Anthropic nowadays to use it. Open-weight models that run locally on open source agents are already pretty capable for a lot of daily tasks. I think a lot of people fail to understand is that it can be used responsible as a tool to help on tasks and automation instead of being a tool to be trusted blindly. I sure will not try to convince anyone to use it, specially if they don’t want to, but playing pretend that it’s a useless technology does not help either.
Yeah, just like Betamax, HD-DVD, The Virtual Boy, Zune, Theranos, Viox, and Google Glass. Every technological innovation is always good, especially when they are force feeding them to you, LLMs are too big to fail spectacularly! It’s not an entirely pointless way for idiots to make computers do the exact same things they can already do but worse when you really look at it.
I’m in the software industry and I’m telling you that AI is not The Virtual Boy
It’s used from the bottom up. It dictates notes, makes cases, tracks meetings, does basic PR reviews, updates code, tests, writes tests, manages the Kanban board, etc…
It’s in your phone, it’s in your search engines, I made a phones call the other day and talked to an AI to navigate the phone system, I ordered by talking to an AI at a fast food place about a month ago, etc…
It’s here and it’s not going away
You can hate it, but in 20 years people are going to look back on “AI is dumb” posts and laugh
Is this site full of 12 years old kids or something? How do you guys not know that AI has quickly become an integral part of many corporations day-to-day business routines?
We do our meetings on Zoom and there is a Claude plug-in that was set up so that, during the meeting, we can just say, “Hey Claude” and then tell it to do something it will do that thing
Frequently we use it, during meetings, to make cases for jobs we need to do either that day or in the coming week. Claude has access to our Kanban board and so we can, and do, ask it to not only make or edit cases but also to move those cases around the board for us
After the meeting, this might be Zoom itself, we all get an AI document that goes over all of the things that were discussed in that meeting.
Claude-Code is literally an app you can download and it’s soul purpose is to access files on your computer and make changes to them.
Obviously Claude can write code (that’s what “Vibe Coding” is) but Claude-Code doesn’t just write it in the browser and then print it out on screen, it literally writes to files on your computer. You literally give it access to create, delete, update, and edit files on your machine. Because of this, not only can it write code for us, it can also write, and run, our automated tests. And setting this up so that these tests automatically run every hour or to run the relevant tests per PR is a simple task
So yes, Claude not only writes tests for us, it runs the tests. And since Claude can access the files on our computer we can literally tell Claude to do things in our app so, yes, Claude is the first level of testing
It can also read code, so it reads the code pushed and it reviews it. Claude can also approve or deny a PR if it finds something wrong. We still require two humans to review the code, but Claude goes first so I’m not wasting my time reviewing code with obvious problems
Voice-To-Text is not new and you are well aware of the fact that you can chat with AI right? Literally an AI program called “ChatGPT”. So when I talk it gets converted to text and sent to an AI, who responds and Text-To-Speech turns it back into a voice… so I can literally talk to AI
Which mean, yes, I can talk to AI to navigate a phone system or place an order at a fast food place; and I have done literally that
This isn’t even crazy stuff. This is like AI 101 at this point.
Obviously triggered something here. I’m not going to read all this.
I use AI. I’ve built agents from first principles. I’ve tried at these things. I’ve been down these roads.
I know where we stand right now and it’s not the place that delusional tech bros think we are standing.
You seem very invested in the idea that this needs to work out. Like it’s part of your identify now or something. You are defending this as if I attacked you personally.
“I didn’t read what you wrote but I know you’re wrong”
But yeah, you’re totally a super smart AI guy and we should all listen to you. I mean, you’re too lazy to read a few paragraphs on a web forum but you’ve definitely taken the time to study up on all the things AI is currently doing in the business world
It’s not aggressive, If you would read it you would see all I did was explain how it does what you claimed it can’t do
What part am I lying about?
Can AI not write code? Can it not read and write files on you computer? Can it not use Powershell or execute command line prompts? Does Text-To-Speech not exist?
You’ve had Seri for years, you think that’s just going to vanish now?
Have you not used Google or Bing recently? You get an AI overview at the top of almost every search now
This is one of those things where you can be unhappy about it but also you’ve already lost this battle and you’re just going to look like fools in the future
Like when we see old news footage and newspaper articles from people who claimed Nintendo wouldn’t last longer than the early 80s Christmas season and that the Internet is a fad
AI is here and it’s not going away
Okay, then the fools of the future can look on me poorly. I’ll hold the same level of disdain for them.
Your argument is “everyone else is a idiot, so you’ll look very foolish if you don’t become an idiot too!” no, I’ll just be even more tired.
They’re not idiots though
While there arguments about the value of the companies making the AI agents, the fear of real humans being replaced by AI agents in the work force, and the environmental concerns of the data centers… the AI itself is an immensely helpful, and immensely powerful tool that is definitely not a fad that is going to disappear and definitely not used just by idiots
Here’s an article about AI being trained look at X-Rays and successfully diagnosing 11 patients with early breast cancer that was missed by the human Doctors
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68607059
AI will never replace labor, only increase productivity like every technology has always done. Even for the jobs that a technology might completely replace in a similar way to human computers, labor will reorganize itself to where it is needed. This is a law of economics that delusional techbros seem to have forgotten, and it is why we will never have an automated future so long as we have capitalism.
I have not “already lost the battle” because I never believed that the technology was useless. Machine learning is an incredibly powerful technology that absolutely helps with certain things(like the pattern recognition involved in diagnosing cancers from X-rays), but it is not magic. It hasn’t delivered the boosts in productivity that oligarchs yearn for, despite all the investment. It’s a bubble that will burst eventually, sending the economy into a recession that will absolutely suck.
I’m not anti-machine learning; I’m anti-AI. The technology was as inevitable as the fall of this sorry excuse for AI. We’re still a ways out from genuine artificial intelligence, and it probably isn’t even something that we actually want.
Yeah… I don’t know how the general public is using AI, but it’s definitely a very useful tool. I understand it comes with a lot of issues regarding privacy, content rights, and predatory mega corporation practices, but the tool itself is useful. And we don’t even need to rely on Google, Microsoft, OpenAI, Anthropic nowadays to use it. Open-weight models that run locally on open source agents are already pretty capable for a lot of daily tasks. I think a lot of people fail to understand is that it can be used responsible as a tool to help on tasks and automation instead of being a tool to be trusted blindly. I sure will not try to convince anyone to use it, specially if they don’t want to, but playing pretend that it’s a useless technology does not help either.
Yeah, just like Betamax, HD-DVD, The Virtual Boy, Zune, Theranos, Viox, and Google Glass. Every technological innovation is always good, especially when they are force feeding them to you, LLMs are too big to fail spectacularly! It’s not an entirely pointless way for idiots to make computers do the exact same things they can already do but worse when you really look at it.
I’m in the software industry and I’m telling you that AI is not The Virtual Boy
It’s used from the bottom up. It dictates notes, makes cases, tracks meetings, does basic PR reviews, updates code, tests, writes tests, manages the Kanban board, etc…
It’s in your phone, it’s in your search engines, I made a phones call the other day and talked to an AI to navigate the phone system, I ordered by talking to an AI at a fast food place about a month ago, etc…
It’s here and it’s not going away
You can hate it, but in 20 years people are going to look back on “AI is dumb” posts and laugh
Betamax forever!
Edit: “I work for AI, it’s actually super rad!” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
So you think I don’t write software for a living or do you think my company doesn’t use AI?
I think you’re a shill.
for what?
Is this site full of 12 years old kids or something? How do you guys not know that AI has quickly become an integral part of many corporations day-to-day business routines?
What kind of businesses, though?
For me personally? Software
You are delusional. It can’t do even half of these things to a level that adds any value to the situation. A correction is coming.
what?
We do our meetings on Zoom and there is a Claude plug-in that was set up so that, during the meeting, we can just say, “Hey Claude” and then tell it to do something it will do that thing
Frequently we use it, during meetings, to make cases for jobs we need to do either that day or in the coming week. Claude has access to our Kanban board and so we can, and do, ask it to not only make or edit cases but also to move those cases around the board for us
After the meeting, this might be Zoom itself, we all get an AI document that goes over all of the things that were discussed in that meeting.
Claude-Code is literally an app you can download and it’s soul purpose is to access files on your computer and make changes to them.
Obviously Claude can write code (that’s what “Vibe Coding” is) but Claude-Code doesn’t just write it in the browser and then print it out on screen, it literally writes to files on your computer. You literally give it access to create, delete, update, and edit files on your machine. Because of this, not only can it write code for us, it can also write, and run, our automated tests. And setting this up so that these tests automatically run every hour or to run the relevant tests per PR is a simple task
So yes, Claude not only writes tests for us, it runs the tests. And since Claude can access the files on our computer we can literally tell Claude to do things in our app so, yes, Claude is the first level of testing
It can also read code, so it reads the code pushed and it reviews it. Claude can also approve or deny a PR if it finds something wrong. We still require two humans to review the code, but Claude goes first so I’m not wasting my time reviewing code with obvious problems
Voice-To-Text is not new and you are well aware of the fact that you can chat with AI right? Literally an AI program called “ChatGPT”. So when I talk it gets converted to text and sent to an AI, who responds and Text-To-Speech turns it back into a voice… so I can literally talk to AI
Which mean, yes, I can talk to AI to navigate a phone system or place an order at a fast food place; and I have done literally that
This isn’t even crazy stuff. This is like AI 101 at this point.
I had claudegpt summarize that for me instead of reading it. Said you’re a shill.
Obviously triggered something here. I’m not going to read all this.
I use AI. I’ve built agents from first principles. I’ve tried at these things. I’ve been down these roads.
I know where we stand right now and it’s not the place that delusional tech bros think we are standing.
You seem very invested in the idea that this needs to work out. Like it’s part of your identify now or something. You are defending this as if I attacked you personally.
Touch grass, talk to humans face to face.
“I didn’t read what you wrote but I know you’re wrong”
But yeah, you’re totally a super smart AI guy and we should all listen to you. I mean, you’re too lazy to read a few paragraphs on a web forum but you’ve definitely taken the time to study up on all the things AI is currently doing in the business world
Seems legit to me
I don’t need to read it because the length of the message tells me everything I need to know.
Being right in this case would prove self evident very quickly.
There is no argument to be had here. If AI is as useful and as inevitable as you say then why even argue for it so aggressively?
When people shout so loudly about how great ai is, its pretty clear what they are really saying.
It’s not aggressive, If you would read it you would see all I did was explain how it does what you claimed it can’t do
What part am I lying about?
Can AI not write code? Can it not read and write files on you computer? Can it not use Powershell or execute command line prompts? Does Text-To-Speech not exist?
You’ve had Seri for years, you think that’s just going to vanish now?
Have you not used Google or Bing recently? You get an AI overview at the top of almost every search now