• PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S [he/him]@anarchist.nexus
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    2 months ago

    I’m pretty sure that Parenti hated anarchists … but I would unironically rather read a book by someone who hates me than an unrepentant Epstein affiliate. (And also, Chomsky would also hate me because even with the most charitable reading, he’s a turbolib wearing a skin suit sewn from the hide of an anarcho-syndicalist.)

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      2 months ago

      I would unironically rather read a book by someone who hates me than an unrepentant Epstein affiliate

      Parenti has his own skeletons, like his staunch defense of Serbian genocidal fascists. Something he has in common with Chomsky.

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    2 months ago

    What’s wrong with Manufacturing Consent ? I found it very insightful on how the US has been doing all kinds of shit that they keep accusing everyone else of. It’s also helpful in recognising the same patterns in other media and other countries.

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      2 months ago

      They’re not saying anything is wrong with it, just that there’s even better stuff. Insert “look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power” meme.

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      2 months ago

      Chomsky is paid opposition, to deliver a softer message. He was also friend with Epstein.

    • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S [he/him]@anarchist.nexus
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      2 months ago

      Meh. Just because a ML said it doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I.e., anarchists can still read Marxist or even ML literature as long as we read it critically, with care for the statist cognitive biases inherent in their foundations.

      Also… the thought of Deceptichum in particular being is a secret ML is absolutely fucking hilarious 😆. Like nah, wrong user.

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        2 months ago

        Also… the thought of Deceptichum in particular being is a secret ML is absolutely fucking hilarious 😆. Like nah, wrong user.

        Yeah not saying that. Just motivating people to read tankie literature in a community that claims to be not influenced by ML is worth pointing out to me.

        Just because a ML said it doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I.e., anarchists can still read Marxist or even ML literature as long as we read it critically, with care for the statist cognitive biases inherent in their foundations.

        Agree on the first part. Second part is IMO missing fron the meme.

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      2 months ago

      pretty sure tankies in threadiverse have nothing to do with ML theory.
      I lean black simply because I am aware disabilities persist, and vanguarding is required until we are all reenabled. Until we are all empowered, none are.

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        2 months ago

        pretty sure tankies in threadiverse have nothing to do with ML theory.

        I disagree. Many share important ideological things such as democratic centralism and many use the same talking points offline MLs use to defend their favorite states. In practice they also always seem to fall back to ML approaches when asked about what to do.

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          2 months ago

          bruv, reread what I commented.
          We can seize the memes of Marx-Leninism without praxing the acts.
          Black anarchism is ML praxis, but more about empowering each other, than excommunicating people for contrivances.
          e.g. Blåhaj is an ML instance, but Nexus Ancap. This doesn’t mean they need to defederate and gulag each other.

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            2 months ago

            Hmm maybe we are just not getting each other. I feel like I precisely replied to a part of your comment, but you seem to think I really missed the point.

            Black anarchism is ML praxis

            To me this doesnt make sense, and from a hlance your links dont seem to be able to explain that to me. Doesnt mean its not there, just that I dont get it. I connect ML praxis with hierarchical, authoritarian and exclusionary organizing and I dont see that really reflected in your link.

            e.g. Blåhaj is an ML instance, but Nexus Ancap.

            I wouldnt describe those instances with those words, but I think we also just use them differently

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              I connect ML praxis with hierarchical, authoritarian and exclusionary organizing and I dont see that really reflected in your link.

              Thoust needs more reading.
              MLs are horizontal, vanguardian and inclusionary when organizing. They just are more aware some folks excel at vanguarding better than direct actors, aiders, intersecters, solidarity, etc. etc… Not everyone is Superman, but I can definitively trust Lois Lane can get her hands on the list of the Legion of Doom’s secret addresses, or say Superboy intersecting with many people in a rally. Awareness of how people excel at other things over other things is just being aware people are different. And MLs accept those facts are real, and need to be accounted when organizing anything.

              We are no longer going to talk about tankies, I pray.

              I wouldnt describe those instances with those words, but I think we also just use them differently.

              I exemplified praxis over meming. The rules are in place for actual enforcements. “Influence” here meaning actually mimicking Joseph Stalin for enforcing his views over all. e.g. “I would hate to gulag you for ‘wrongthink’”

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                We are no longer going to talk about tankies, I pray.

                Pray all you want.
                The definition of a tankie is a person that supports the idea that a country should have the right to use its military or paramilitary forces for suppressing unwanted domestic civilian activity.

                If you do support tankie regimes, such as that of China or the Russia, you are a tankie.

                Tankies are not okay. You see a tankie, punch him on the face. Thank you for your attention.