Oi! 'ave yer gotta loiscence for dat lemming?

Ahh yes. The peewee herman defense. From the guy who isn’t willing to even dare testing their theory in reality.

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Jesus fuck you are still here? The guy who still doesn’t know what horsepower is? That its not actually “just another measurement of power”. That the term doesn’t actually mean what they think it means?

Annnnnd… It’s a migraine

Then take the time to go back to your original claim and you’ll soon recognize that you’ve just been talking out your ass this whole time about a trivial and irrelevant claim that isn’t supported in the real world.

You routed a comparison of an EV to an ICE power-train through HP, which is basically invalidated the comparison from the start, because as a basic comparison it doesn’t make sense. And the reason why isn’t just physics. But I’m not going to tell you more then that. You need to be curious enough to develop an understanding of why its a false equivalency to do so. You not understanding why that is the case is the entire point. Like you genuinely aren’t worth arguing about this because your lack of understanding is so clear.

And if you can’t take the time to be introspective enough to recognize that, you genuinely aren’t worth the time.

You’ll just do anything it takes other than verify you claim in reality where you will very quick recognize it breaks down.

I remember when this used to get printed on fruit of the looms

Stop talking and load the car.

Its not “bottom line physics is the same” because the fucking aren’t. The actual construction of the fucking vehicle and its power train matters. This why everyone is dismissive of your point. You just straight up wrong here.

Go load up your wife’s Tesla 3 with 1k lbs of cinder blocks, and then find an equivalent stated HP ICE vehicle and do the same. Drive both of them up the same hill and tell me its the same thing. And if you TRULY want to experience the difference, find a manual transmission ICE equivalent.

Do you drive an EV?

How very USAcoded when the sitting US president is regularly threatening nukes.

Very hard to take US media seriously after almost 3 decades in the post 9-11 timeline

With the right setup

Yeah. That’s the entire point. The engineering changes the experience drastically. You can’t just say watts are watts and be done with it. Its a reductive approach to do so.

Bruh you bouncing all over this thread and getting it wrong in literally every fucking place you can.

THATS why I think you don’t know what ICE means.

Do you own an EV? Have you ever driven one fully loaded with fat boys versus an ICE shitbox with allegedly the same horse power? I have. I do weekly. I have many fat friends and we drive up hills.

You started this conversation on horsepower then moved the goal posts when it was inconvenient for you to stick with that framing. And moving it to Kw doesn’t change that, and its because there is a lot of “stuff” that happens between a watt being consumed (either via burning fuel or drawing from a battery) and an thing being propelled forwards, either on a flat surface or up a hill. And all that “stuff” make huge differences in terms of performance. Engineering actually matters for real world performance.

Yeah its just …

It’s not very cute 😡

And I want it more microvan style. Like I want to have a huge amount of windows and sit far forwards in the cockpit.

I’ll go back and look at that Kia again because it does seem very practical.

So you are very clearly new to the ev space.

ICE: Internal combustion engine.

You aren’t worth the bother. You simply don’t have a clue.

We don’t have a misunderstanding. You made a reductive argument, got challenged, and now you’re acting like invoking “basic physics” makes the engineering irrelevant.

Run your own scenario honestly. Holding 50 kph up a 6-degree grade with six adults is a high sustained wheel-power demand. If a vehicle only has 14 kW of continuous usable wheel power, ICE or EV, it probably is not doing that.

But that does not make the powertrain irrelevant. That is exactly the point you keep missing.

In an ICE vehicle, the rated power depends on RPM, gearing, transmission losses, and whether the engine can stay in its power band. In an EV, usable output depends on the motor, controller, battery, thermal limits, gearing, and peak-vs-continuous power. Those are not interchangeable systems just because the same physics applies to both.

So no, reducing the question to horsepower does not make sense. Reducing it to torque does not make sense either. That is just car-brained ICE framing.

The powertrain design is the point. Treating ICE, EV, horses, and flywheels as interchangeable for a real vehicle-performance question is not STEM literacy.

The right answer here is to buy one of these, for both of us to go to mexico and make two freinds each, go to an appropriate hill, and give it a shot.

The point: ⚽

You: 🫱 🫱

The US and Europe put EXTREME limits on how Ukraine could use and deploy weapons at a preposterous level as their territory was being invaded, because they truly didn’t believe Ukraine could stand a chance. They kept those limits in place so Ukraine fought with one arm behind their back. Ukraine then had to build their own supply chain (intermediate and short range drones, the flamingo, etc,) because of this. Now, the fruits of that are paying of. Russia is 100% in the wrong and always has been. But only now can Ukraine show movement in this.

Iran isn’t fighting with those limits and has basically kowtowed the US into line. They have several marches stolen on Ukraine in terms of self-sufficient arms development. Because of that the US has no real options here, other than to submit… The US is 100% in the wrong on this and always has been.

The two scenarios very much rhyme but not in the way you are implying.

Your original comment just sounds like a lack of experience with electric vehicles. Simply put, EV and ICE are fundamentally different power trains. Routing a comparison through HP is exactly what someone familiar with ICE but not EV is exactly what you would do if you know traditional cars, but it doesn’t map to EV’s in how they work in the real life.

And honestly, at the price we could probably buy one, find six lemmings in Mexico and a decent hill and just run the experiment.