I’ve said this for years. MA was the political head of the most reactionary absolutist faction in France and supported an even more tyrannical government than the sun king’s, to the extent her own husband’s party had to disavow them.
They were a bunch of violent thugs who triggered the September massacres by crashing a party of constitutional monarchists and republicans.
To ignore this is sexism. She wasn’t some clueless shrinking violet she was a Habsburg, trained from birth to rule, did so competently (well, more so than her husband), but played the game of thrones and lost.
played the game of thrones and lost.
This is just like Gambo Thrones
this video is so sloppy and the audio is hideous.
heap of factual errors because they’re just vibing from the super loose powerpoint script and not well acquainted with the course of events. contrapoints is way more wrong than seems reasonable and the OP steps into bullshit by thinking contrapoints is halfway right
‘marie antoinette’s treason could have resulted in a devastating war’? look up the war of the first coalition
‘MA should have been executed for real charges’ she was, the incest shit was not the lynchpin of the prosecution
There’s a million liberal cissies with a platform out there who are as bad as her or worse, but none of them get several threads a week nitpicking their shittiest ideas from 4 years ago. Guess why.
I know this isn’t what you are saying, but I genuinely think a ton of people on here used to massively stan her and think her work really meant something, and now that she’s turned out to be the absolute worst they can’t stop torturing themselves over it.
A few years ago, she was chumming up to the online left at the same time as trolling trans communities, and I imagine quite a few people feel kind of guilty about turning a bling eye to that, so again, they obsess over her. It’s a pretty smart media strategy tbh.
I’ve grown out of liking her myself, i have distanced myself from pretty much her entire perspective on trans womanhood, i’ve politically always been to the left of her, but somehow i am not constantly tearing into her every time she should have put her phone away instead of sending a post. And honestly, it’s not particularly hard. I simply don’t have time for hating trans women i have never met as long as men exist.
we overcame the site’s obsession with Vaush, maybe we shift the
treatment to contrapoints at this point.
I think it’s worth considering that this website is extremely terminally online in a specifically entertainment-media-and-twitter direction and so Contra has more salience to them as a “breadtuber” (something many people here still bear some attachment to) than e.g. public intellectuals and the like. This is especially magnified by Nat’s method of constantly posting left-punching ragebait on Twitter to make up for the once a year upload schedule she’s on. Also there was the Palestine statement and I think at this point multiple subtweets directed at this site’s current Streamer Daddy. These factors combine to make her have a greater level of psychological salience for this audience even though she does not remotely merit it.
I agree with the other poster that she deserves the
treatment like that other ragebaiting, compatible “left” asshole, because I certainly agree with you that there’s a severe bias and it’s counterproductive to everyone involved except for Contra, who gets more attention and thereby money with her bullshit.Considering everything else about the site, from the general culture to their being defensive-to-merely-dismissive of characters like Philosophy Tube (outside of specifically criticizing her silence on Palestine), I don’t think the problem is that the site hates trans women. There’s probably something to be said for the more generic misogyny of how reactionary left-identifying people will, for example, talk about hating “white women” to smuggle in the real object of their hatred (women in general), especially since Contra very aggressively plays up the sassy girl boss “slay queen” stuff, but I don’t think that’s the same thing.
Edit: I revised it because I realized one of the points I made was indefensibly foolish. Sorry about that.
because those people don’t have a history of betraying their much more leftwing former audience with NB phobia, associating with medicalists like buck angel, or hanging out with the clintons?
Look, i agree with that criticism, i’ve just been over all of these problems with little miss truscum in the last contrapoints hate thread we had two days ago, but i don’t think that’s why you people are so obsessed with her. Hexbear has, to give one example, zero qualms constantly riding the dick of openly transphobic anti-woke crank Norman Finkelstein, so if you people can tolerate that anti-BDS, anti-black, misogynist piece of shit but can’t tolerate a piece of shit who is transfeminized, i know what’s the actual problem.
I think people who think Arabs are human beings dislike her because she doesn’t think Arabs are human beings, actually.
And of course all the posts about Contra’s various ancient bad takes are relevant to that, right? Posting about her shit takes on Marie Antoinette from almost half a decade ago?
Yup. People do the same for Hasan. He constantly says things that ragebait people so they do way weirder unrelated things like pretend he’s a dog torturer. You’re just implying that pro-palestinian people are transphobes, even more so than zionists. Which is just very strange.
You’re just implying that pro-palestinian people are transphobes, even more so than zionists
How do you even come to this conclusion
Try reading the thread, I guess. Or like, the rest of the comment you’re quoting.
I recognize your position but I really think people here are fixated on Natalie because she is a propagandist for the bourgeoisie, not because she is a transwoman. I mean the megathread at this very moment is celebrating a transwoman who is on the “right side of history”.
There are hundreds of bourgeois propagandists. That’s not an answer.
the megathread at this very moment is celebrating a transwoman who is on the “right side of history”.
Yes. The trans megathread. Also, “transwoman”
trans woman
Oh, the trans megathread features a trnas woman, that must mean the site is fine with us. Nah, sorry, it takes a bit more to convince me when some stupid motherfucker just openly told me that people get a transphobia pass as long as they are against genociding more important minorities.
